California: A Dream, or a Home? (San Francisco, Sacramento: tax, to live in, law)

[WesternPilgrim]

It's time to ditch the "California dream" - whatever the blazes that's supposed to mean - and toss it into the Pacific for good.

The California dream is not only a myth, but a monster. From the earliest years men came to California not to chase a dream, but to make a home for themselves and their progeny. The Gold Rush was interesting, but it was an historical aberration and was not, by and large, a noble endeavor and should not define California.

The "dream" is killing the state. The policies preferred by established families who are here because this is their home are one thing: they want work, freedom, and a decent moral life. The policies issued by utopian dreamers are another creature entirely: for them, the people of this state are mere guinea pigs in their progressivist social laboratory.

California is my home, not a dream. My people are here. My land is here. My history is here. How about you?

[Fontucky]

Originally Posted by WesternPilgrim

a decent moral life.

Who defines that?

[jeffredo]

Generally speaking Butte County is not the California those speaking of the "California Dream" are referring to. That's more the confines of coastal California - especially Southern. If you want to remove the northern Sacramento Valley from it I don't think anyone will care or argue with you about it.

Coastal progressives will continue to drive state politics for the foreseeable future. We have the population, much like NYC runs New York state. Like it or not that's just the way it is and "Jefferson" is never going to happen. If you can't deal with it there's always Idaho or whatever. Oh, and my family has been in San Francisco for four generations - and are one of the "established families" that you speak of. The "decent moral life" we adhere to is live and let live and minding one's own business - and that's what this hard working, law abiding, tax paying gay member of that family does.

[jaijai]

Originally Posted by WesternPilgrim

It's time to ditch the "California dream" - whatever the blazes that's supposed to mean - and toss it into the Pacific for good.

The California dream is not only a myth, but a monster. From the earliest years men came to California not to chase a dream, but to make a home for themselves and their progeny. The Gold Rush was interesting, but it was an historical aberration and was not, by and large, a noble endeavor and should not define California.

The "dream" is killing the state. The policies preferred by established families who are here because this is their home are one thing: they want work, freedom, and a decent moral life. The policies issued by utopian dreamers are another creature entirely: for them, the people of this state are mere guinea pigs in their progressivist social laboratory.

California is my home, not a dream. My people are here. My land is here. My history is here. How about you?

speak for yourself.
you impose your trips on other people.
it's gross.
and "my land". bleccchhhhh.

[nullgeo]

Originally Posted by WesternPilgrim

It's time to ditch the "California dream" - whatever the blazes that's supposed to mean - and toss it into the Pacific for good.

The California dream is not only a myth, but a monster. From the earliest years men came to California not to chase a dream, but to make a home for themselves and their progeny. The Gold Rush was interesting, but it was an historical aberration and was not, by and large, a noble endeavor and should not define California.

The "dream" is killing the state. The policies preferred by established families who are here because this is their home are one thing: they want work, freedom, and a decent moral life. The policies issued by utopian dreamers are another creature entirely: for them, the people of this state are mere guinea pigs in their progressivist social laboratory.

California is my home, not a dream. My people are here. My land is here. My history is here. How about you?

[jaijai]

lol (i rarely do on this forum but that face!)

[caligirlz]

Originally Posted by WesternPilgrim

California is my home, not a dream. My people are here. My land is here. My history is here. How about you?

me too. Born & raised in California. Despite the politics, there's no place that I'd rather live.

[jaijai]

I too was born in California.
So what?!
I don't consider it "my" state.
It's no more your state than it is of someone who just moved here yesterday.
I detest territorialism.

And to the "my land" comment ...

"They made us many promises, more than I can remember, but they never kept but one: they promised to take our land and they took it. It was not hard to see that the white people coveted every inch of land on which we lived. Greed. Humans wanted the last bit of ground which supported Indian feet. It was land - it has ever been land - for which the White man oppresses the Indian and to gain possession of which he commits any crime. Treaties that have been made are vain attempts to save a little of the fatherland, treaties holy to us by the smoke of the pipe - but nothing is holy to the white man. Little by little, with greed and cruelty unsurpassed by the animal, he has taken all. The loaf is gone and now the white man wants the crumbs."
-Luther Standing Bear-

[Ceece]

You can live whatever kind life you want to live in CA. I was born here too, nobody is stopping me from doing what I want, not even the "dreamers".

[DMenscha]

It's my dream and my home. Such a limited viewpoint.

Might want to get over it in your spare time.