California's torture problem (castle, vacation, catholic church)

[nullgeo]

Originally Posted by Curmudgeon

Kiss my what?

Cumon Chief, you and I are just about the only ones here on the forum who can honestly type in a line like: "I was at Tianamen Square and the Forbidden City back in the late 40s."

We might as well make the most of our esteemed ancient wisdom ...

[Curmudgeon]

Originally Posted by nullgeo

Cumon Chief, you and I are just about the only ones here on the forum who can honestly type in a line like: "I was at Tianamen Square and the Forbidden City back in the late 40s."

We might as well make the most of our esteemed ancient wisdom ...

Kinda sorry, ain't it? Well, such is the lot of a dinosaur. Amazing I'm still kickin'.

[SportyandMisty]

Originally Posted by nullgeo

Define "safe" ...

There is, imo, an unacceptable trade-off made to control danger in society through the suffocation of personal freedom. I don't consider cultural / individual suffocation safe. To be alive and free is to accept living with both some risk and diversity. There is street crime -- and then there is oppression. Easier to navigate some crime than extreme governmental oppression.

Yeah, there is a price to being safe from street crime. I lived in Singapore for 6 months. It is remarkably safe from a street crime perspective. And too many laws by our standards, but the citizens of Singapore, as near as I could tell, are just fine with the situation.

When I lived there, there were pretty severe penalties for, among other things:

• failing to flush a public toilet when you're done
• spitting on the sidewalk in public
• hailing a cab from anywhere other than a corner
• spitting out chewing gum (actually, there is no chewing gum for sale in Singapore - at least not when I was there)
• etc

[Fontucky]

Was it Singapore that caned the bratty American kid? I had no problem with that.

[nullgeo]

Originally Posted by SportyandMisty

... but the citizens of Singapore, as near as I could tell, are just fine with the situation.

When I lived there, there were pretty severe penalties for, among other things:

• failing to flush a public toilet when you're done
• spitting on the sidewalk in public
• hailing a cab from anywhere other than a corner
• spitting out chewing gum (actually, there is no chewing gum for sale in Singapore - at least not when I was there)
• etc

a) they are undoubtedly indoctrinated to feel the way they do
b) it is illegal to feel otherwise under penalty of death

[.highnlite]

Originally Posted by SportyandMisty

Yeah, there is a price to being safe from street crime. I lived in Singapore for 6 months. It is remarkably safe from a street crime perspective. And too many laws by our standards, but the citizens of Singapore, as near as I could tell, are just fine with the situation.

When I lived there, there were pretty severe penalties for, among other things:

• failing to flush a public toilet when you're done
• spitting on the sidewalk in public
• hailing a cab from anywhere other than a corner
• spitting out chewing gum (actually, there is no chewing gum for sale in Singapore - at least not when I was there)
• etc

I have seen a bunch of North Koreans on the TV the last few days. They all seemed happy, and there was no litter!

[Curmudgeon]

Originally Posted by .highnlite

I have seen a bunch of North Koreans on the TV the last few days. They all seemed happy, and there was no litter!

Not enough extra anything in North Korea for litter.

[nullgeo]

Originally Posted by Curmudgeon

Not enough extra anything in North Korea for litter.

Chief made another good funny
Sorry, rep button out of order apparently.

[katnip kid]

Originally Posted by Fontucky

Was it Singapore that caned the bratty American kid? I had no problem with that.

Some folks are into that, too, but not the types who wear pink feather boas!!

[katnip kid]

Originally Posted by Fontucky

**faints**

They could have the chain gangs and the caning at the medieval castle WP posted about, you know for a genuine old fashioned vacation spot for folks into S & M!