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Old 04-13-2012, 09:55 AM
 
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Not even close, although that would make me astonishingly well-preserved.
There's a word for that: 'pickled'
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Old 04-13-2012, 10:20 AM
 
Location: Paranoid State
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We really have only three choices:

1. Intolerably violent and dangerous prisons.
2. Solitary confinement (i.e., torture) for dangerous criminals.
3. Capital punishment (i.e., justice) for dangerous criminals.

If you don't like #3, you're choosing to dehumanize prisoners and degrade our entire justice system with torture, or you're making prison a living hell for everyone and guaranteeing future victims.
Well, there is a 4th choice. A large percentage of gang members & violent criminals are here illegally. We could, hypothetically, deport them.

A 5th choice: we could outsource prisons in, say, India or China. I think that would provide a bit of a deterrent.
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Old 04-13-2012, 10:22 AM
 
Location: Paranoid State
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Boy, if there's a place you'd fit in perfectly, Pilgrim, it's Singapore. I'll scan the employment classifieds for you and see if there's a position opening for Grand Inquisitor ...
There is a reason Singapore is one of the safest places on the planet.
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Old 04-13-2012, 10:28 AM
 
Location: The Other California
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And you can cite modern Iraq as a counter-example.
I suspect that modern Iraq is not a counter-example at all. Islamic bloodlust may be swift but it's seldom just.
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Old 04-13-2012, 10:42 AM
 
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There is a reason Singapore is one of the safest places on the planet.
Define "safe" ...

There is, imo, an unacceptable trade-off made to control danger in society through the suffocation of personal freedom. I don't consider cultural / individual suffocation safe. To be alive and free is to accept living with both some risk and diversity. There is street crime -- and then there is oppression. Easier to navigate some crime than extreme governmental oppression.
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Old 04-13-2012, 10:45 AM
 
Location: GLAMA
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China's safe too! As the Tienamen Square protestors found out...
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Old 04-13-2012, 11:24 AM
 
Location: In them thar hills
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A 5th choice: we could outsource prisons in, say, India or China. I think that would provide a bit of a deterrent.
Outsource them to Mexico. That would be plenty of a deterrent factor.
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Old 04-13-2012, 12:17 PM
 
Location: Hills & Hollers of SW MO
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China's safe too! As the Tienamen Square protestors found out...
I was at Tianamen Square and the Forbidden City back in the late 40s. It was a lot safer then until 1949 when we were evacuated out of Tsingtao headed to Peping to pick up the rest of the American rabble. My framed and well-preserved tourist map of the area is now worth about $2K. Hope to go back someday although I'm sure my ahma is either dead from old age and natural causes or was executed by the new regime decades ago.
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Old 04-13-2012, 12:29 PM
 
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I was at Tianamen Square and the Forbidden City back in the late 40s. It was a lot safer then until 1949 when we were evacuated out of Tsingtao headed to Peping to pick up the rest of the American rabble. My framed and well-preserved tourist map of the area is now worth about $2K. Hope to go back someday although I'm sure my ahma is either dead from old age and natural causes or was executed by the new regime decades ago.
So, you musta been in what -- your early 30's then?
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Old 04-13-2012, 12:41 PM
 
Location: Hills & Hollers of SW MO
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So, you musta been in what -- your early 30's then?
Kiss my what?
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