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Old 04-24-2012, 02:31 PM
 
Location: Sacramento
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Yes, people here will discriminate against you for putting down on your resume that you are Christian. Anyone who can't write a resume without listing "A Good Christian" under their accomplishments has issues. They won't, in general, discriminate for being Christian, however. Most of the inhabitants of the land of fruits and nuts are Christian, some very vocally so. It's just they can keep their personal beliefs personal rather than lashing out and attacking anything that doesn't revolve around their particular dogma or calling people atheists if they don't include religious mementos on everything they touch.

 
Old 04-24-2012, 02:35 PM
 
Location: Sacramento
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But this only goes so far, Jeffredo. For example: I have had several jobs over the years where my employer required me to lie. I can't just "do my job and mind my own business" in that case without reference to my religious beliefs. The lies were "white lies" and probably not illegal, but they were lies just the same. I refused, and paid the price. Religion matters, and it matters on the job.

I owned a print shop once and had to turn down multiple jobs for various reasons. I wouldn't print anything pornographic or even semi-pornographic, nor would I print for certain organizations that openly promoted other kinds of immorality. One of these organizations launched a campaign of intimidation against me - dozens of harassing phone calls, letters, e-mails, even vandalism (which I suspect but can't prove). They called my franchise headquarters and tried to get my franchise pulled. My lead graphic designer was so angry she threatened to quit. I lost a supplier and probably a couple of accounts.

The point is that the workplace is not "religiously neutral": someone's values have to predominate, and other value systems will be suppressed.
Free speech is a two-way street. You clients and employees are well within their rights not to have business dealings with bigots such as yourself. You are well within your rights to be a bigot. For me, I don't really care about that. My clients ethics are not my own. I've even done some pro-bono work for groups whose ethics I definitely do not agree with.
 
Old 04-24-2012, 02:41 PM
 
Location: The Other California
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Hardly. The United States was founded as a secular nation.
No, it wasn't. It was founded with explicit protection for the established state churches. That's what the First Amendment was about: protecting established state churches from the encroachments of an established federal church.

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The majority of its inhabitants had no desire to exclude God ....
Very true. So why do we insist on excluding God today?
 
Old 04-24-2012, 02:44 PM
 
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Old 04-24-2012, 03:07 PM
 
Location: The Other California
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Well, since I'm moving to California in as little as 2 months, I can definitely tell you my plan to survive. I will mind my business, keep my beliefs to myself, keep my nose in my Bible and church, make my money, and keep on stepping. That's what you gotta do in the land of fruits and nuts. I know liberals and how they think. They will try to take your money and keep you from jobs based off your allegiance to Christ. I'm not having it. I'm going to do my thing, mind my business, and make money off of them and then buy my house in San Diego and retire my family there just like I planned. While still making money in LA. I'm never going to hide the fact that I'm a Christian. However it's not like I'm going to put that down on my resume. These people will discriminate against you for it. I'm not stupid. I'm going to play them before they can play me.
Well, good luck with that. If you're an IC or even a small business owner, you just might get away with it - especially if you live inland. But if you have a government or corporate job, you'll be tested big time. They have ways of sniffing you out.
 
Old 04-24-2012, 03:24 PM
 
Location: Sacramento
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No, it wasn't. It was founded with explicit protection for the established state churches. That's what the First Amendment was about: protecting established state churches from the encroachments of an established federal church.



Very true. So why do we insist on excluding God today?
Not really. "The states must have a state church" would be explicit protection for established state churches. There was no such thing in the First Amendment. States were free to have or not have established religions. Most were in the process of doing away with them or had already done so at the time and mirroring the federal stance on secularism. The United States was secular. What the states, or municipals did on their end was up to them.

In what way are we excluding God? You're free to run your business in a religious fashion, to send you children to parochial school paid for by the tax-payer, my public high school had religious social clubs, as did my public university. Hell, the communists even put God on our money and in our pledge.
 
Old 04-24-2012, 03:31 PM
 
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Well, good luck with that. If you're an IC or even a small business owner, you just might get away with it - especially if you live inland. But if you have a government or corporate job, you'll be tested big time. They have ways of sniffing you out.
Lol. You make it sound like a dog hunt! To be honest, I could care less. If they ask me, I will tell them. I'm not going to deny Christ for anybody. I don't care what they chose to do after that.
 
Old 04-24-2012, 03:37 PM
 
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In what way are we excluding God? You're free to run your business in a religious fashion, to send you children to parochial school paid for by the tax-payer, my public high school had religious social clubs, as did my public university. Hell, the communists even put God on our money and in our pledge.
Most religious people send their kids to private Christian or Catholic schools. Not funded by the taxpayer at all. Besides, even in parochial schools, at least the students are actually doing the work and passing with excellent grades. Can't same the same for public schools. Sucking the life out of taxpayer teet while the students are getting dumber and not passing anything.
 
Old 04-24-2012, 03:57 PM
 
Location: The Other California
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In what way are we excluding God? You're free to run your business in a religious fashion, to send you children to parochial school paid for by the tax-payer, my public high school had religious social clubs, as did my public university. Hell, the communists even put God on our money and in our pledge.
I sold the business, but I was not free to run it in a religious fashion. I could give you a dozen examples. The most obvious: I was not permitted to prefer Catholics when hiring. Strictly illegal. Neither was I permitted to prefer hiring married men with families, which is another religious obligation. Nor was I permitted to offer any religious activities for my employees that could be perceived by others as a "hostile work environment" - prayers, blessings, celebrations.

But what is worse is that most Californians are either not capable of owning a business, or they do not have the opportunity. They are forced to make their livings in the militantly secularist and amoral work environments of government agencies and big corporations. And to suck it up. All kinds of problems and conflicts arise for serious Christian employees in such places. There is no "freedom of religion" for most California workers 40 hours per week.
 
Old 04-24-2012, 04:28 PM
 
Location: San Francisco, CA
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I live in California, and honestly a lot of the liberalism claims are overdone. Yes, there are groups of very vocal liberals here, but they're really just that - a few groups. Most people I know and work with are regular moderate people, same as they were in Ohio where I grew up. Most are good people who do their work, look after their kids, and strive to treat others well. Many go to church, and frankly no one cares here if you do. They will care if you try to be a Jehovah's Witness at the office, but they would also care back in Ohio.

People who haven't lived here would do well to avoid jumping to conclusions about daily life here on the basis of a few hand-picked sensationalist stories out of Berkeley or parts of LA.
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