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Old 05-10-2012, 06:53 PM
 
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You know those really really really grossly graphic billboards and other ads that are making people complain? They're working according to studies. Know where the money comes from to produce and place them?

Yeah, thought not.
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Old 05-10-2012, 07:05 PM
 
Location: Zurich, Switzerland
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Prop 28--most likely I'll abstain cause I dont believe in term limits to begin with. Localities lose senior legislators who have built reputations and forged relationships and have great influence in key positions and that helps the home districts. Yes, I get the reasoning behind supporting term limits, but if a person is doing so well that their constituents keep electing them, why do we want to get rid of them? I dont get that at all.

Yes on 29--Smoking cigarettes ultimately is a direct burden on society. Furthermore I dont believe that marijuana should be illegal whilst tobacco and alcohol are both legal and both cause thousands of deaths and illnesses every year, costing billions and billions.
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Old 05-10-2012, 07:35 PM
 
Location: Police State
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Yes on 29--Smoking cigarettes ultimately is a direct burden on society. Furthermore I dont believe that marijuana should be illegal whilst tobacco and alcohol are both legal and both cause thousands of deaths and illnesses every year, costing billions and billions.
It's OK to tax other people's vices so long as it isn't one of yours, got it.
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Old 05-10-2012, 07:46 PM
 
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Propositions are a horribly misused feature of our state that is responsible for many of the structural problems we face today.

In summary, the only proposition I'd vote yes on is one limiting propositions to removing elected representatives (who are under the control of those dastardly rail road companies!).
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Old 05-10-2012, 08:12 PM
 
Location: Zurich, Switzerland
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It's OK to tax other people's vices so long as it isn't one of yours, got it.
The solution is to have no vices.

On a more serious note, considering how many uninsured smokers ultimately seek care for lung cancer, emphysema , etc, I am certainly paying for the vices of others.

I mean, I dont mind doing my part, but if some people are 'priced out' of cigarettes--that's not a bad thing is it?
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Old 05-10-2012, 08:44 PM
 
Location: San Luis Obispo and Santa Barbara Counties
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I would support deportation of smokers, perhaps to China. Not all smokers, just the ones who exhale
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Old 05-10-2012, 10:57 PM
 
Location: Police State
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The solution is to have no vices.

On a more serious note, considering how many uninsured smokers ultimately seek care for lung cancer, emphysema , etc, I am certainly paying for the vices of others.

I mean, I dont mind doing my part, but if some people are 'priced out' of cigarettes--that's not a bad thing is it?
I'm so glad that we have narrow-minded fanatics like you looking out for the welfare of society.

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Old 05-11-2012, 09:17 AM
 
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Prop 28--most likely I'll abstain cause I dont believe in term limits to begin with. Localities lose senior legislators who have built reputations and forged relationships and have great influence in key positions and that helps the home districts. Yes, I get the reasoning behind supporting term limits, but if a person is doing so well that their constituents keep electing them, why do we want to get rid of them? I dont get that at all.

Yes on 29--Smoking cigarettes ultimately is a direct burden on society. Furthermore I dont believe that marijuana should be illegal whilst tobacco and alcohol are both legal and both cause thousands of deaths and illnesses every year, costing billions and billions.

Given the track record of these legislators,not losing much. Look at the condition they have left things in. Granted,CA is not as gerrymandered like some states.
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Old 05-11-2012, 10:50 AM
 
Location: Zurich, Switzerland
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I'm so glad that we have narrow-minded fanatics like you looking out for the welfare of society.
I could care less if you stuck an exhaust pipe in your mouth.

But the facts are as follows, 1 in 5 deaths in the US is caused by tobacco and it costs $96 Billion to treat tobacco related diseases every year. Saddest of all, 49,000 people die each year from diseases caused by 2nd hand smoke.

CDC - Fact Sheet - Fast Facts - Smoking & Tobacco Use

Tobacco is a very expensive habit, in more ways than just a small tax.
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Old 05-11-2012, 10:51 AM
 
Location: Zurich, Switzerland
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Given the track record of these legislators,not losing much. Look at the condition they have left things in. Granted,CA is not as gerrymandered like some states.
Not really, we've had a term limit law in place for a while now and I think we are worse off as a result.
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