Vandals attack Santa Cruz church (Nice, Cabazon: casino, live, floors)

[Curmudgeon]

NCLR:

National Council of La Raza
National Center for Lesbiabn Rights
Northern California Land Rover Club
National Council for Learning Resources
North Carolina Literary Review


Perhaps he's referring to an Hispanic lesbian who drives a Land Rover and is learning to read.

[.highnlite]

Too funny there Curmudgeon. For the normal folks out there, the book 1491 is a great read, with no "hidden agenda".

[nullgeo]

NCLR -- Not Concerned with Literal Realities

[Curmudgeon]

Originally Posted by nullgeo

NCLR -- Not Concerned with Literal Realities

...or No Comprehension of them.

[TheCalifornianWriter]

Originally Posted by .highnlite

If god is love, as is often said, what is with the "fear" business?

Fear being more like "respect" than anything else.

[TheCalifornianWriter]

Originally Posted by Fontucky

Speaking of abusing naked boys... Catholic Priesthood Through the Ages with Fr. Charles Connor - MP3 Audio Archives

Don't change the subject for your own means, Fontucky. You cannot deny that all Natives were basically savages, completely unfamiliar with either Faith or Science. They would have to be changed/educated for the purposes of colonization someday...might as well have been then.

[TheCalifornianWriter]

Originally Posted by nullgeo

Aside from all the many many stupidities of your falsifications, let's just wonder for a moment if there might be other ways to transform a culture's barbaric rites (barbaric by your definition) than wholesale enslavement, and brainwashing to effect a culture of humiliation and guilt, that stripped away the essence of the aboriginal lifestyle and culture -- which cultural essence was not defined by the practices you cite as horrid, but which practices were merely ritualistic theatre.

Aside from your response, let's forget the "how" for a moment. The Indians were "savages" by all accounts (except perhaps their own). Now, that's no reason to enslave them or do anything near that. But these missionaries came to spread the Gospel and teach them how to be civilized. Or is being a hunter-gatherer society civilized?

It hardly matter because the end result is this: no matter what YOUR objections are, it is inexcusable to vandalize ANYTHING that doesn't belong to you.


P.S.--Teaching the Natives also included things like history and rudimentary reading/writing skills, not just religious studies; though, naturally, those would take place as well.

[Fontucky]

Originally Posted by TheCalifornianWriter

You cannot deny that all Natives were basically savages, completely unfamiliar with either Faith or Science. They would have to be changed/educated for the purposes of colonization someday...might as well have been then.

I wouldn't use the term "savages", although I realize the Church is fond of using that term to describe societies of pre-contact people who haven't reaped the "benefits" of being force-fed the Catholic faith, killed off by disease, worked to death by the Catholic slave masters, and executed for not assimilating.

[TheCalifornianWriter]

Originally Posted by Fontucky

I wouldn't use the term "savages", although I realize the Church is fond of using that term to describe societies of pre-contact people who haven't reaped the "benefits" of being force-fed the Catholic faith, killed off by disease, worked to death by the Catholic slave masters, and executed for not assimilating.

Okay, so call them "un-civilized" or "natives." Savages can be anyone, by the way, from un-educated natives on an island in the South Pacific to cops in a major metro's suburb.

[Bulldogdad]

Originally Posted by Fontucky

I wouldn't use the term "savages", although I realize the Church is fond of using that term to describe societies of pre-contact people who haven't reaped the "benefits" of being force-fed the Catholic faith, killed off by disease, worked to death by the Catholic slave masters, and executed for not assimilating.

And as such you reap the benefits by living on ancestral aborignal lands that were stolen. Care to donate it to the local tribe?

Meet the new boss same as the old boss.