06-08-2012, 07:28 PM
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GregW
Joining the rest of the world in the 21st century is such a bad idea.
The 21st century is an overpriced train that no one will use?
06-08-2012, 10:05 PM
Location: Los Angeles, CA
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Fontucky
As in the Dem-controlled legislature every year since 1970, save for one or two? That Republican leadership?
I was referring to the governors mansion.
06-09-2012, 08:52 AM
Location: Orange County, CA
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1200RT
Exactly. Lets not confuse a (R) next to their name and them actually being a republican/conservative.
It has been more than a third of a century since a conservative last was the head of our state government. Liberals and Rinos have held the governor's chair since 1975, the year Ronald Reagan left office. The state senate, assembly, and statewide elective positions have been almost totally dominated by far left Democrats for decades. This of course, is exactly why California is in the mess that it now finds itself, and why it is so dysfunctional.
06-09-2012, 12:33 PM
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rimmerama
The 21st century is an overpriced train that no one will use?
They could upgrade Amtrak for a tiny fraction of the cost. They did it in the northeast corridor.
Acela Express - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
06-09-2012, 02:46 PM
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SHABAZZ310
I was referring to the governors mansion.
Not conservatives
06-09-2012, 05:22 PM
Location: On the Rails in Northern NJ
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That cost 2.5 Billion and congress has not fixed the rest of the NEC , so the real cost is now 45 Billion...could have all been done by now. Shame on DC...the New Amtrak plan for the Northeast will cost 120 Billion and be completed by 2050 , 50/50 on funding...half from Private and half from Govt... Private is likely to do the Newer NEC which is expected to be used by 180,000 daily users or 70% of the Northeastern travel market....if you wondering , 60% of the total Amtrak build out plan for the Northeast should be completed by 2025 and hopefully serving 120,000 by then. The Newer NEC could come online by 2040 and would replace certain air routes....Idk about Cali's plan anymore ...I don't really support it...i rather see the $$$ given to the Northeastern states for NEC upgrade at least the Federal portion.
California High Speed Rail Network Size : 800+ Mi (1,300kms)Midwest High Speed Rail Network Size : 1,800 Mi+ (1,296Kms)Texas High Speed Rail Network Size : 680 Mi+ (1,259kms)Cascadia Corridor Size : 407 Mi (753km)Northeastern High Speed / Intercity Network Size : 2,280 Mi+ Taken from MWHSR , CAHSR and AMtrak Next gen sources and other sources
06-13-2012, 01:23 PM
Location: Los Angeles, CA
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Not conservatives
Just Republicans in general not a special type of Republican...
06-13-2012, 04:25 PM
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The Acela isn't high speed rail, though, is it? It only goes 75 miles an hour...
They did a poll, there wouldn't be much ridership on the high speed rail.
06-13-2012, 05:59 PM
Location: On the Rails in Northern NJ
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rimmerama
The Acela isn't high speed rail, though, is it? It only goes 75 miles an hour...
The Ridership numbers are posted above and the Acela averages 120mph on the lower NEC and 130mph on the Upper NEC...with Central NEC being around 80mph....hench why Amtrak wants to bypass it as a whole... The whole Northeastern Amtrak division gets 35,000 daily riders....and projections are above....considering its been growing 15-20% a quarter since 2007 those aren't that far off...same is happening all over the US. Studies show the Midwestern Network will be the best bang for the $$$ in terms of how lines will get built and how many millions will be served along with profitability...it would generate 2.4 Billion a year , the Northeast would generate between 4-6 Billion a year....which would be poured back into system. For some reason Cali won't generate that much only 500-1 Billion... 2 Billion is the Average a In't Rail Company takes in a year...then you would have all the jobs up to 30,000 in the Northeast alone for the system and 15,000 for the Midwest.....
As for why HSR is needed in certain regions , the every growing population or density of the Northeast , Midwest , Cascadia and Texas regions will push Airports and Highways over Capacity by 2030.... All but 4 Coastal Interstates will be overcapacity by 2030 in the Northeast and all but 1 Airport will have room to expand. The Cost of adding capacity to the Airports and roads has been estimated at 790 Billion....the Master Rail Plan for the Northeast will cost an estimated 450-520 Billion depending if all of it is electric or not. As for the reason Highways cost more to expand , unlike the many Rail restorations and same expansions that use old Railways , the Highways will need to either go through populated areas requires 1000s to be evicted or be tunnel which is very expensive... The only states are doing is small replacements of Interchanges and bridges....nothing big is in the pipeline.. As for an example of Rail taking cars off the roads look no further then CT where the New Haven line has grown from 65,000 daily riders back in 1995 to 123,000 in 2010 taking freeing up some space on neighboring I-95....with all the Improvements planned for CT that should increase to 190,000 by 2030 further freeing up Highway space...other Future Railway corridors indict strong ridership projections when they run next congested Highways...as for Rail Ridership in the Northeast its currently at 2.1 Million...by 2030 it should grow to 6.3 Million for Regional and Intercity Rail. If you add in Light Rail , Buses , Streetcars , and Subways its currently at 15 Million but by 2030 that should grow to 30.8 Million... So 38 Million out of the 62 Million who would be living in the Portland - Bos - Wash corridor....not bad...
Look at me once again I derailed the Cali convo with Northeast news...
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