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Old 07-04-2012, 02:42 PM
 
Location: San Diego, California Republic
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They not only gripe about socialism, they don't even know what socialism is. After the supreme court upheld Obama's health care plan, those idiots were talking about moving to Canada, a socialist country

Rush Limbaugh even said he was going to move to Costa Rica. I guess he thought he was being smart by not picking Canada. As far as I know, Costa Rica has national health care. Conservatives simply repeat buzz words over and over again. They don't ever make any points they just say the same things like broken records. They're in a blind panic, they know that while they may have the angry white male vote secured in any election, they also know it won't be enough to win an election as they have completely alienated everyone else. While most voters don't exactly approve of President Obama's job, they still think he's better than the alternative and as a result leads in the polls. This could very well mark a permanent change in the political direction of the country. For this reason the state of Jefferson seems even more appealing to them.
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Old 07-04-2012, 02:57 PM
 
Location: Declezville, CA
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Rush Limbaugh even said he was going to move to Costa Rica.
Stop teasing me.
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Old 07-04-2012, 03:03 PM
 
Location: San Francisco
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So the State of Jeffersonians are essentially, Kings and Queens of Welfare with their hands out for Federal handouts

The classic liberal counties along the coast from SF south, receive a far smaller percent of their income from Federal handouts
As others have pointed out those counties have a very high percentage of retirees on Social Security, Medicare, SSD and Veterans Benefits. The same can be said of the "Mother Lode" counties such as Mariposa, Tuolumne and Calaveras. Much higher proportions that coastal counties. Benefits such as these are earned either through service or federal insurance programs, so most people don't look at them as federal aid, they look at them as their due for something they've paid into and worked for. Those groups also tend to vote in higher numbers than working age people or immigrant groups (who may not be able to vote) so they can disproportionately skew the political results in those areas.

These counties do also have a very high percentage on income assistance, but that's generally working age people unable to find work (very high unemployment rates) or working jobs so low paying they qualify for such assistance. Clicking on that tab you'll see the minority-majority counties of the San Joaquin Valley with the agricultural based economies have similar (or worse) percentages of those "federal handouts" you mentioned.

While I don't support the political leanings of the inland and far northern counties, you can't generalize an entire region to make a point. Nothing is rarely that cut-and-dried in demographics and statistics (and I bristle when those on the other end of the spectrum do it about San Francisco and the Bay Area). You do have to dig a little deeper to uncover the real dynamics of an area.


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It's them dayum homos!
You rang?
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Old 07-04-2012, 03:09 PM
 
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Again: the point of the OP is that the system being utilized for support is a socialist one: Social Security and Medicare are socialist programs for benefiting the citizens. These folks condemn socialism while living in its benefits. And how many people who retire to those communities are so well-heeled by their own careers that they wouldn't need the SS they collect? They're not collecting just because they earned the right to. They'd be toast without the benefits.
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Old 07-04-2012, 03:24 PM
 
Location: San Francisco
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Again: the point of the OP is that the system being utilized for support is a socialist one: Social Security and Medicare are socialist programs for benefiting the citizens. These folks condemn socialism while living in its benefits. And how many people who retire to those communities are so well-heeled by their own careers that they wouldn't need the SS they collect? They're not collecting just because they earned the right to. They'd be toast without the benefits.
Well again, most people collecting Social Security, Medicare and Veteran's Benefits feel they paid into those programs or gave a certain number of years of service to qualify for them. They don't consider them "socialism" (although a rose by any other name...) and they don't consider them in the same vein as SSI, MediCal/Medicaid, welfare, food stamps, "Obamacare" or other need based government programs. I can see their point, although I don't completely agree with it.
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Old 07-04-2012, 03:34 PM
 
Location: San Diego, California Republic
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Stop teasing me.
Sorry. We both know the bastard won't go anywhere.
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Old 07-04-2012, 08:47 PM
 
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I noticed Kern Co. was pretty high for bennies received. Many of them I imagine are illegals plus probably farm programs.
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Old 07-04-2012, 09:29 PM
 
Location: Where they serve real ale.
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There are posts on this forum that reference the mythical State of Jefferson, as the Kingdom of the Conservative, a part of California separate from the liberal, welfare, illegal swamped, state of "Kalifornia" A great map here, shows that the "State of Jefferson" is one of the leading areas in the nation for government handouts, a veritable Welfare State.

The Counties of
Tehama, Yuba, Trinity, Siskiyou, Del Norte, receive around 30% of their income from Federal benefits

The Counties of Humboldt, Mendocino, Lake, Glenn, Butte, Nevada, Plumas, Shasta, Lassen and Modoc, receive around 21 to 30 % of their income from Federal Benefits.

In the rest of CA, one can see that "Red" counties receive substantial amounts of their counties income from Federal Benefits.

So the State of Jeffersonians are essentially, Kings and Queens of Welfare with their hands out for Federal handouts

The classic liberal counties along the coast from SF south, receive a far smaller percent of their income from Federal handouts
Just about all conservative areas are welfare queens. Just take a look at the map you posted. They can moan and endlessly proclaim that they work and that it is all blacks, Mexicans, others, etc... but the big problem, as always, is with in themselves.
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Old 07-04-2012, 11:04 PM
 
Location: Tijuana Exurbs
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I usually don't respond to these types of threads, but I find the condescending nature of the comments offered above to be shameful and arrogant.

The northern part of the state used to have a thriving resource extraction economy based on mining, logging, and to a lesser extent agriculture which kept its blue collar labor force gainfully employed. However, over the past 50 years political representatives from the coastal areas have regulated and taxed these industries into oblivion in a 20th Century version of an Environmentalist Enclosure movement. The coastal elites destroyed the North State's economic base and now these same elites make snide remarks because a larger than typical portion of the residual population has been forced onto economic assistance. Then to maintain some kind of economic base, these counties have taken in your social detritus by hosting prisons to house your hoodlums and absorb unemployable parolees from the coast who otherwise couldn't have survived in expensive urban areas. All of these things have contributed to the outsized public assistance numbers you now see reported from these rural northern counties.

Oh, as for the one resource that is still being extracted from the area, water, its fair market value isn't paid to the local counties. It goes to the federal and state governments with no mechanism for the local population to ever reclaim ownership or to renegotiate the terms of trade. There's a word for these kinds of arrangements, it's called economic imperialism, and you people of California's coastal cities, are the Imperialists.

Through brute political force, you have stripped the people of the North State of their livelihoods, driven them off the land, and now mock them for their poverty. So don your pith helmets, swing your fly swatters and keep snickering at the lazy natives.

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Old 07-05-2012, 01:41 AM
 
Location: Sacramento, Placerville
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I usually don't respond to these types of threads, but I find the condescending nature of the comments offered above to be shameful and arrogant.

The northern part of the state used to have a thriving resource extraction economy based on mining, logging, and to a lesser extent agriculture which kept its blue collar labor force gainfully employed. However, over the past 50 years political representatives from the coastal areas have regulated and taxed these industries into oblivion in a 20th Century version of an Environmentalist Enclosure movement. The coastal elites destroyed the North State's economic base and now these same elites make snide remarks because a larger than typical portion of the residual population has been forced onto economic assistance. Then to maintain some kind of economic base, these counties have taken in your social detritus by hosting prisons to house your hoodlums and absorb unemployable parolees from the coast who otherwise couldn't have survived in expensive urban areas. All of these things have contributed to the outsized public assistance numbers you now see reported from these rural northern counties.

Oh, as for the one resource that is still being extracted from the area, water, its fair market value isn't paid to the local counties. It goes to the federal and state governments with no mechanism for the local population to ever reclaim ownership or to renegotiate the terms of trade. There's a word for these kinds of arrangements, it's called economic imperialism, and you people of California's coastal cities, are the Imperialists.

Through brute political force, you have stripped the people of the North State of their livelihoods, driven them off the land, and now mock them for their poverty. So don your pith helmets, swing your fly swatters and keep snickering at the lazy natives.
Can you cite any references regarding the "people from the coast" stripping away the rights for mining and forestry?

BTW, it was the farmers right here in the Sacramento Valley that put a stop to destructive mining practices because the mining was literally burying their farms in sediment, not to mention aggravating the problems with annual flooding.
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