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Old 08-02-2012, 11:17 AM
 
Location: Living on the Coast in Oxnard CA
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Do you have some sort of reading comprehension problem? I answered that already. Not falling for the conservative trick of arguing sensely over something. Go back and read it again if you can't remember
You said that they are the lesser of two evils. That is your reason for voting Democrat? Wht do you consider evil?

To me Evil is taking from those that earned it to give to those that didns/

To me Evil is pushing a socialistic agenda.

To me Evil is saying what is bad is good and what is good is bad.

To me Evil is when you forget that this is the greatest nation on the earth

To me Evil is when you try to take away my rights

To me Evil is when you try to change the Constitution

To me Evil is in pushing regulations that skirt the law

To me the current Democratic Elected individuals are Evil and are doing what they can to get rid of the Constitution of the United States

What Evil do you see within the Republican party? Please let me know. How do you define the lesser of two evils? You really havn't told anyone why you vote Democrat other than a remark on the lesser of two evils. Please let us know what do you consider evil.

 
Old 08-02-2012, 11:18 AM
 
Location: Police State
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so you either don't vote or you waste your vote. brilliant!
What does my statement have anything to do with voting? Oh, and thanks for providing a wonderful example of the mentality I was referring to.
 
Old 08-02-2012, 11:23 AM
 
Location: Quimper Peninsula
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Let me tell you why I am a Conservative Republican:

To be Conservative means that less Government is involved. To be Conservative means that you allow business to work out its own problems without Government intervention. To be conservative means that you believe in the market economy and allow it to work on its own.

Conservatives believe in personal freedom, we believe in the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, We believe that Socialism has never done anything good for the world. You can look to the world to see how well that has turned out.

Conservatives know that people can make it on their own and have the ability and knowledge to thrive in any situation. They have no need for Government assistance because they know that they can make it in life. That is why Capitalism goes hand in hand with conservatism. People that are willing to start a business and make something of themselves would in fact be alligned with an ideal that believes the same thing. Conservatives believe that all people can do the same thing, all people can infact make it in life and the need for public assistance is a farce that is set up for the explicit purpose of redistributing wealth.

People say that Conservatives do nothing while in office. I say that we need more of that. When liberals are out there doing something in office that seems to cost all of us more money. We don't need more laws, we don't need more taxes, we don't need more regulations. What we need is to have people to block all the nonsence that is created by the Liberals in office. We need to create a road block so that less gets done.

we the people can create a better nation and state if we could get a more Conservative Government.

Hey..!. You stated your opinion! Great...

Like someone said, free market economics / "capitalism" are not our system... We use a Keynesian economic model in the western world... Different, it requires control and intervention to prop it up and prevent collapses and resets like the Depression..

Personally, I would not have minded giving your idea of a system a go!... Let it all collapse the entire economy... Ultimately it will hurt the wealthy and powerful more than us, as they have more to loose than we do..

Conservatives will not, GOP will not... They bail out banks just as fast as Democrats do.... Let them crash, fine by me... I subsistence live, hunt, fish grow my own crops...I will be just fine in the anarchy that follows the crash... If we stop intervening as you suggest...

I like your idealism, problem is it is not what I see the GOP or conservative law makers doing though.. I see them steal from the working class and giving to the rich.
 
Old 08-02-2012, 11:27 AM
 
Location: Living on the Coast in Oxnard CA
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Pretty much the entire western world.. We peaked out consumed the resources, made a few rich and now we are in decline globally... Yep, so lets move on what's next... Capitalism ran its course, it depended on abundant cheap raw materials, and cheap labor as the engine.. Neither exist in the western world anymore...
Next planet anyone? We (homosapians) are no better than dang locust anyway, consume and move on... Just why do you think Europeans colonized all those countries to begin with... Get more cheap resources to consume...

On top of that we have the WWII baby boomers aging, and not consuming as much anymore... Hello GOP no amount of tax cuts and government getting out of the way is going to remedy the cold hard fact that we are in decline for reasons beyond the latest political talking point..
You do know that many are still making a lot of money and that Capitalism is working right? You do know that many companies are getting it right and making a ton of money selling what they make and produce right? It is true that many companies have withered and died but that is not Capitalisms fault. Those companies had every right to change how they do things and change the products that they sell or produce. Companies going down hill is just a part of the market speaking. Companies doing well is just a part of the market speaking as well. This is just how the system works. I know of companies that have closed and other companies that have started up. Some let people go and others hire people. That is how things work. The problem is not with the system the problem is that people complain when the system doesn't work in there favor. An even bigger problem is when Government gets in the way the system works. You want jobs in California? Stop taxing business and getting many of them to move to other states. You want companies to stay in the US? Get rid of the Unions and allow them to make a profit here.
 
Old 08-02-2012, 11:36 AM
 
Location: Quimper Peninsula
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Originally Posted by SOON2BNSURPRISE View Post
You do know that many are still making a lot of money and that Capitalism is working right? You do know that many companies are getting it right and making a ton of money selling what they make and produce right? It is true that many companies have withered and died but that is not Capitalisms fault. Those companies had every right to change how they do things and change the products that they sell or produce. Companies going down hill is just a part of the market speaking. Companies doing well is just a part of the market speaking as well. This is just how the system works. I know of companies that have closed and other companies that have started up. Some let people go and others hire people. That is how things work. The problem is not with the system the problem is that people complain when the system doesn't work in there favor. An even bigger problem is when Government gets in the way the system works. You want jobs in California? Stop taxing business and getting many of them to move to other states. You want companies to stay in the US? Get rid of the Unions and allow them to make a profit here.
We did that, how low do you want to go? Shall we lower ourselves to the standards of Bangladesh? So companies can make a profit? We lower our incomes by removing unions, we have less to spend... Less to spend means companies make less too...

Yes?

We have plenty of jobs, no shortage what so ever, matter of fact we have people crossing the boarder to fill all the unwanted jobs....

The jobs do not pay a living wage by our standards.... We have a plethora of field work jobs, part time jobs 30 hours or less with no benefits no unions, no health care, paying a low wage... This is what you wanted correct? Higher profit for companies!... Thats what they did... They have high profits, stock market is fine.... IT is us workers that are not doing fine... More of the same is not a solution... Please... Post WWII union workers that could support a family on one income was the hay days of America.. Life was good then yes? Lots of unions, lots of pension plans, benefits so on and so forth...

.. I consider your solution the problem we are experiencing!!!!
 
Old 08-02-2012, 12:00 PM
 
Location: Earth
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To me Evil is when you try to take away my rights


To me the current Democratic Elected individuals are Evil and are doing what they can to get rid of the Constitution of the United States

What Evil do you see within the Republican party? Please let me know. How do you define the lesser of two evils? You really havn't told anyone why you vote Democrat other than a remark on the lesser of two evils. Please let us know what do you consider evil.
So, only the Democrats support marijuana prohibition, the Patriot Act, and the NDAA, and only the Democrats oppose gay rights?
 
Old 08-02-2012, 12:07 PM
 
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There is no true pure-capitalist or pure-socialist governments, and there have never been. Many attempts were made a creating such an extreme economic policy. All had failed as the reality is the combination of the two ideologies is the only attainable economy in the world today.Somalia comes close. Since the government has no effective control there, there are no taxes, no business licenses or regulations to prevent you from starting any sort of business, even piracy. People carry guns to protect themselves, and pay in cash. There is no social safety net, pensions, health care, food stamps etc.Laissez Faire Capitalism started disappearing in the USA in the 1840s, when they abolished debtors prisons and created US Corporation Law. In 1890, we enacted anti-trust legislation and corporate income taxes. In 1934 we abolished child labor, enacted fair labor standards, unemployment and workers compensation, securities and exchange and banking regulation.. Now we have robust taxation and some social safety net.
 
Old 08-02-2012, 12:22 PM
 
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I honestly think that the GOP could have some success in CA if they were to somehow be their own GOP franchise.

Democrats seem to accept the Blue Dogs who vote in favor of abortion restrictions and against gun restrictions. The GOP on the other hand is willing to cede the Northeast and make their final stand in the south/southwest rather than compromise.

If the CA GOP were willing to give up on the culture issues and instead focus of lower taxes and cutting the states expenditures on pensions and employee healthcare they could maybe win a few elections.

Then again the GOP (especially at the national level) might be too damaged a brand in the eyes of many Californians.
 
Old 08-02-2012, 12:24 PM
 
Location: Bay Area
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We did that, how low do you want to go? Shall we lower ourselves to the standards of Bangladesh? So companies can make a profit? We lower our incomes by removing unions, we have less to spend... Less to spend means companies make less too...

Yes?

We have plenty of jobs, no shortage what so ever, matter of fact we have people crossing the boarder to fill all the unwanted jobs....

The jobs do not pay a living wage by our standards.... We have a plethora of field work jobs, part time jobs 30 hours or less with no benefits no unions, no health care, paying a low wage... This is what you wanted correct? Higher profit for companies!... Thats what they did... They have high profits, stock market is fine.... IT is us workers that are not doing fine... More of the same is not a solution... Please... Post WWII union workers that could support a family on one income was the hay days of America.. Life was good then yes? Lots of unions, lots of pension plans, benefits so on and so forth...

.. I consider your solution the problem we are experiencing!!!!
 
Old 08-02-2012, 12:35 PM
 
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You know what they say, CA sets the tone for the rest of the nation.

Can't wait to see the knuckle dragging chest pounding right wingers jump on this one LOL
I'm not going to get into the politics of this one...

But this is the complete perfect generalization of the "liberal" mentality.

You seem to be really "open minded".... hahahahahaha
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