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Unread 08-01-2012, 12:19 PM
 
Location: Hayward, CA
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I don't see the CA GOP changing anytime soon. Anyone else notice on the independent primary ballot the glaring omission of a certain political party? Yep you guessed it, the Republican party doesn't allow non-Republicans to vote for their candidates in the primary.

The problem is that they only want "real" conservatives (whatever that means). Not that this mentality is exclusive to the CA GOP. The tea party cost the GOP at least three senate seats in the last election, including CA. Not even Tom Campbell polling ahead of Boxer was going to change the thinking of the GOP overlords of Orange County.

The biggest problem with the CA GOP is that ideology has trumped recruitment of quality candidates. This has been the case since forever ago. For crying out loud, they couldn't even defeat Grey Davis, a governor that couldn't run on his record! Richard Riordan would have crushed Davis, but oh no, that wasn't good enough for the GOP because they wanted "real conservatives." So who did they trot out? Bill Simon.

It is possible that Prop 14 could help save the CA GOP from itself, but there has to be a philosophical change within the party. Much like the budget problems caused by the Democrats because of strict ideology, the Republicans will continue to lose elections in CA because of how dangerously driven they are by emphasis on ideology over the quality of their candidates.

 
Unread 08-01-2012, 12:53 PM
 
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Originally Posted by BlackShoe View Post
Every time I hear one of those Marxist buffoons like Obama, Biden, Pelosi, Schumer, Wasserman-Scultz, et all speak I feel like I am being subjected to excerpts from Das Kapital or the Communist Manifesto and we are back in 1917 Russia.
Yeah? How do you think intelligent people feel about being subjected to the likes of Sarah Palin, Rick Santorum, Rick Perry, Hermann Cain, etc etc etc etc etc?
 
Unread 08-01-2012, 01:28 PM
 
Location: Studio City, CA 91604
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I've gone back and forth between being a Democrat and a Republican my entire life. At present I am a Republican. I am also a lifelong Californian. The biggest problem with the GOP, in my opinion, is that it is not marketing itself properly.

It is the de-facto "against" party:

..."against gay marriage"
..."against abortion"
..."against immigration"
..."against public education"
..."against green measures"

This would probably work to the GOPs advantage if we were Mississippi or Georgia and not California.

But here's the cold, hard truth:

California is immigrant-rich, it is more gay and gay-friendly than other states and it is full of people who care about the environment.

For the GOP to thrive in California again, it needs to ditch the xenophobia, ditch the homophobia and embrace the green movement. And it can all be done within the paradigms of conservatism!

The GOP needs to focus on the work ethic of immigrants who are trying to pursue the American dream, it needs to harnass their energy and embrace them as role models. It needs to take a libertarian or "live and let live" stance on gay marriage and cut out the embrace of religious dogma against reproductive freedom. I have a religion and set of moral codes that work for me that I do not wish to impose on others.

I am a Republican who believes that the GOP should embrace immigrants who are trying to pursue the American dream of capitalism and self-reliance. I am a Republican who has no qualms with gay marriage or reproductive rights. I believe that gay couples should have the same marital rights on par with heterosexuals. I am a Republican who embraces the green movement as a new frontier in eco-friendly capitalism to further drive the economy.

I have a serious problem with the way our Democrat-dominated legislature in Sacramento is conducting their affairs and it is a shame that the GOP in this state has marginalized itself to the point where it is not taken as a serious alternative to the out-of-control Democrat Party that is running things.
 
Unread 08-01-2012, 01:29 PM
 
Location: Southern California
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Originally Posted by BlackShoe View Post
Every time I hear one of those Marxist buffoons like Obama, Biden, Pelosi, Schumer, Wasserman-Scultz, et all speak I feel like I am being subjected to excerpts from Das Kapital or the Communist Manifesto and we are back in 1917 Russia.
Oh you're so clever for twisting my words and using them against me! Do you feel special now?
 
Unread 08-01-2012, 01:35 PM
 
Location: San Francisco Bay Area
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Originally Posted by 5thgenSF View Post
are you calling schwarzenegghead a democrat?
He's no Jerry Brown, of course, but he was certainly no Pete Wilson, either. Pete wasn't overwhelming conservative, for the record.

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Originally Posted by mattk92681 View Post
I've gone back and forth between being a Democrat and a Republican my entire life. At present I am a Republican. I am also a lifelong Californian. The biggest problem with the GOP, in my opinion, is that it is not marketing itself properly.

It is the de-facto "against" party:

..."against gay marriage"
..."against abortion"
..."against immigration"
..."against public education"
..."against green measures"

This would probably work to the GOPs advantage if we were Mississippi or Georgia and not California.

But here's the cold, hard truth:

California is immigrant-rich, it is more gay and gay-friendly than other states and it is full of people who care about the environment.

For the GOP to thrive in California again, it needs to ditch the xenophobia, ditch the homophobia and embrace the green movement. And it can all be done within the paradigms of conservatism!

The GOP needs to focus on the work ethic of immigrants who are trying to pursue the American dream, it needs to harnass their energy and embrace them as role models. It needs to take a libertarian or "live and let live" stance on gay marriage and cut out the embrace of religious dogma against reproductive freedom. I have a religion and set of moral codes that work for me that I do not wish to impose on others.

I am a Republican who believes that the GOP should embrace immigrants who are trying to pursue the American dream of capitalism and self-reliance. I am a Republican who has no qualms with gay marriage or reproductive rights. I believe that gay couples should have the same marital rights on par with heterosexuals. I am a Republican who embraces the green movement as a new frontier in eco-friendly capitalism to further drive the economy.

I have a serious problem with the way our Democrat-dominated legislature in Sacramento is conducting their affairs and it is a shame that the GOP in this state has marginalized itself to the point where it is not taken as a serious alternative to the out-of-control Democrat Party that is running things.
This. THIS!!! +1
 
Unread 08-01-2012, 02:26 PM
 
Location: Southern California
1,201 posts, read 502,728 times
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I love San Diego. But it is considered one of the few bastions of republican power in the state. But that's only because of the older retired population here. However there is one bright aspect. The Republican power is declining here too. Their base, which are the older groups are dying off, moving, being replaced by democrat leaning people, and being replaced by their children who do not agree with their parents nor are as inclined to be persuaded by the republican propaganda.
They are more tech savvy, more truthfully informed, and spend most of their time on the internet instead of watching TV or the local news which is republican leaning on all channels. In 2008 for the first time the number of registered democratic voters outnumbered republican voters, however the turnout at the actual polling stations didn't reflect that. I hope this year that the voter turnout and elections will reflect that.
 
Unread 08-01-2012, 02:35 PM
 
Location: Richmond, CA
8,739 posts, read 5,920,481 times
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Originally Posted by mattk92681 View Post
I've gone back and forth between being a Democrat and a Republican my entire life. At present I am a Republican. I am also a lifelong Californian. The biggest problem with the GOP, in my opinion, is that it is not marketing itself properly.

It is the de-facto "against" party:

..."against gay marriage"
..."against abortion"
..."against immigration"
..."against public education"
..."against green measures"

This would probably work to the GOPs advantage if we were Mississippi or Georgia and not California.

But here's the cold, hard truth:

California is immigrant-rich, it is more gay and gay-friendly than other states and it is full of people who care about the environment.

For the GOP to thrive in California again, it needs to ditch the xenophobia, ditch the homophobia and embrace the green movement. And it can all be done within the paradigms of conservatism!

The GOP needs to focus on the work ethic of immigrants who are trying to pursue the American dream, it needs to harnass their energy and embrace them as role models. It needs to take a libertarian or "live and let live" stance on gay marriage and cut out the embrace of religious dogma against reproductive freedom. I have a religion and set of moral codes that work for me that I do not wish to impose on others.

I am a Republican who believes that the GOP should embrace immigrants who are trying to pursue the American dream of capitalism and self-reliance. I am a Republican who has no qualms with gay marriage or reproductive rights. I believe that gay couples should have the same marital rights on par with heterosexuals. I am a Republican who embraces the green movement as a new frontier in eco-friendly capitalism to further drive the economy.

I have a serious problem with the way our Democrat-dominated legislature in Sacramento is conducting their affairs and it is a shame that the GOP in this state has marginalized itself to the point where it is not taken as a serious alternative to the out-of-control Democrat Party that is running things.
And if you were running for public office you would have my vote!
 
Unread 08-01-2012, 02:36 PM
 
Location: Orange County, CA
2,919 posts, read 1,711,569 times
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Originally Posted by Fontucky View Post
Must be a bit dead in the Texas fora this evening. They seem to be flying around our porch light.
The Texans are busy celebrating. The Tea Party endorsed candidate won the Republican primary election Tuesday and is a heavy favorite to win the general election in November. In January, after he takes his new seat, you can say hello to Senator Ted Cruz. Cruz has drawn comparisons to Sen Marco Rubio, and has a somewhat similar background. What a pity that California voters are not nearly as perceptive and wise as the Texans.
 
Unread 08-01-2012, 02:43 PM
 
Location: Bay Area
1,442 posts, read 586,950 times
Reputation: 502
Quote:
Originally Posted by mattk92681 View Post
I've gone back and forth between being a Democrat and a Republican my entire life. At present I am a Republican. I am also a lifelong Californian. The biggest problem with the GOP, in my opinion, is that it is not marketing itself properly.

It is the de-facto "against" party:

..."against gay marriage"
..."against abortion"
..."against immigration"
..."against public education"
..."against green measures"
you can't possibly be a republican when the ABOVE is what they stand for. not to mention the part about how they squish the LITTLE PEOPLE!
 
Unread 08-01-2012, 02:51 PM
 
Location: Richmond, CA
8,739 posts, read 5,920,481 times
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Originally Posted by 5thgenSF View Post
you can't possibly be a republican when the ABOVE is what they stand for. not to mention the part about how they squish the LITTLE PEOPLE!
Not necessarily. There are these types of Republicans out there. They're just not allowed to talk. This is the problem with the GOP, people like this are completely marginalized within the party which has forced many of them to jump ship.
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