CA school district sued over abstinence-only sex ed (Fortuna: living in, safer)

[rebel12]

Originally Posted by 18montclair

yawn. That's not teaching, that's indoctrination and that's not why we send our children to school.

Here's a thought, why not focus our energies on mathematics, reading and science and leave the business of teaching morality to parents at home?

We are bogged down in bs and that's why our students suck compared to those from podunk countries like singapore and south korea--because our priorities are totally screwed up when it comes to education.

Everyone wants to teach their personal beliefs as fact while ignoring the real issues, like skills and disciplines that will actually make them productive adults.

When they actually finish their schooling and look for a job, nobody cares who they slept with or how they slept with them, only what they know pertaining to the job.

#tiredoftheuselessfluffinschools

this

[rebel12]

Originally Posted by WesternPilgrim

Sex education itself isn't rocket science and can be taught in a matter of hours. But it's not a complete education unless children are taught what sexuality is for and the harm that results from its abuse.

Great point. Teaching kids what the sexuality is for is more important than their proficiency in oral sex.
Unless you want your kids to have a career in prostitution or porn industry.

[TrueTimbers]

Originally Posted by expatCA

Define morality?

LOL... one can not... It is a complex individual/societal driven word... You do realize this do you not? You are an animal more specifically a mammal on a planet we call earth. We are social creatures influenced by others.. This social influence is in constant flux and and complex... It appears to be part of our species evolutionary path.

None of us want kids to go through pain and suffering, we all want what is best for them, (and yes, I agree with some of what you say about, the differences in physical and mental maturity, and the fact that people have the habit of using sexuality to profit, via marketing.) However, I personally have no use for the word "morals or morality" as they are simply constructs of the human condition. They are loaded words that divide us and cause more pain and suffering in the world than good... I too feel morality is immoral...

[rebel12]

Originally Posted by JetJockey

The kid was on my brothers summer baseball team last year, he went to a rather popular Christian private school in the area. Believe me or not, it makes no difference to me.

Sexuality IS important and it can be very confusing for kids experiencing these feelings and emotions for the first time. .

What could be confusing? There is sex and sex-related talk all over TV, media etc etc. Kids in 2012 are not kept in the dark about anything.

[rebel12]

Originally Posted by .highnlite

Pos hoc ergo propter hoc, not.

Pregnancies have always occurred among teen age girls. The difference is that in the olden days (a few years ago) it was covered up, the girl was sent off to "relatives" etc.

Current social mores are no worse than in most of history. Historically the teenage years were commonly the child bearing years.

Because the teenage years were also the marrying years....
Girls before 20th century knew very well that a child out of wedlock eliminates their chances of getting married which meant they were bound to become social outcasts.

What? How? What are you talking about? Never before we encouraged our teens to dress and act as adults. Look at music videos and magazines addressed to teenage girls.
Never before we told our teens that sex is all fun and just be careful not to get pregnant. Never before teens were ostracized by peers for NOT being sexually active. Sexual activity that was happening 50 years ago in high schools is now happening in elementary schools... Marriage is failing at terrible rates, single parenthood reality for way too many kids... We made a huge step forward while standing on the cliff...

You got to be kidding...

[nullgeo]

Originally Posted by rebel12

Because the teenage years were also the marrying years....
Girls before 20th century knew very well that a child out of wedlock eliminates their chances of getting married which meant they were bound to become social outcasts.

What? How? What are you talking about? Never before we encouraged our teens to dress and act as adults. Look at music videos and magazines addressed to teenage girls.
Never before we told our teens that sex is all fun and just be careful not to get pregnant. Never before teens were ostracized by peers for NOT being sexually active. Sexual activity that was happening 50 years ago in high schools is now happening in elementary schools... Marriage is failing at terrible rates, single parenthood reality for way too many kids... We made a huge step forward while standing on the cliff...

You got to be kidding...

By "never before" you must mean "never before the last couple hundred years" ... because for hundreds of thousands of years, even millions of years, what you say is not applicable.

Of course, I realize that most people think that our modern history defines the universe.

[expatCA]

Originally Posted by TrueTimbers

I too feel morality is immoral...

So do pedophiles.

[expatCA]

Originally Posted by rebel12

Great point. Teaching kids what the sexuality is for is more important than their proficiency in oral sex.
Unless you want your kids to have a career in prostitution or porn industry.

Yes. However many today want no restraints on anything they want. Sooo "morality" is not real and not definable, except when it comes to what they want stopped.

At the root of the idea is; to do no harm.

Many don't care about that, they want what they want and will do all they can to make it possible, regardless of the harm to others. They will claim we are animals and morality is just based on religion. The end result? No morality at all beyond popular opinion.

[rebel12]

Originally Posted by nullgeo

By "never before" you must mean "never before the last couple hundred years" ... because for hundreds of thousands of years, even millions of years, what you say is not applicable.

Of course, I realize that most people think that our modern history defines the universe.

I did not know there were people millions years ago???

Anyways, I am talking about the last one thousand years. Not enough?

[nullgeo]

Originally Posted by expatCA

Yes. However many today want no restraints on anything they want. Sooo "morality" is not real and not definable, except when it comes to what they want stopped.

At the root of the idea is; to do no harm.

Many don't care about that, they want what they want and will do all they can to make it possible, regardless of the harm to others. They will claim we are animals and morality is just based on religion. The end result? No morality at all beyond popular opinion.

Right. Start by:

Banish wisdom, discard knowledge,
And the people will be benefitted a hundredfold.
Banish kindness, discard morality,
And the people will be dutiful and compassionate.
Banish skill, discard profit,
And thieves and robbers will disappear.
As these three touch the externals and are inadequate,
The people have need of what they can depend upon:
To see the simplicity,
To embrace one's uncarved nature,
To cast off selfishness,
And to have few desires.

This was written before the 4th century B.C. and folks still haven't gotten it right.