Yes on 32... It is pay back time! (Sacramento: buying, school)

[.highnlite]

Originally Posted by steven_h

My aunt teaches 3rd grade in Fullerton. She makes over $75k+benefits and works 9 months. That's the equivalent to $110k a year for a private school teacher. Private school teachers deserve more because they have a much higher success rate. The PST's ARE rolling in the dough, but worse yet; the Unions are drowning in it.

Now they want to hire 100k more teachers with an new tax hike?

I love my aunt, but enough is enough.

Anyone who thinks teachers only work 9 months, has not been paying attention.
Private school teachers do not need credentials, and are often teachers who cannot get hired in the public system, aside from the religiously motivated, which any reasonable parent would want their kid to stay well away from.

Anyway.....

Business professionals with an MBA from University of California, Irvine, for instance, can start their career with a $77,600 salary, and after 20 years they could be making about $140,000. A professional with an MBA from Harvard can demand a $134,000 starting salary, and after 20 years it could reach $230,000, according to Bloomberg Businessweek. In contrast, the starting salary for a Fullerton School District teacher with a master’s degree is $52,339 and can reach up to $92,289.

The district uses four “classes” – or pay brackets – to determine teacher salaries. Teachers start their careers in Class l. Class l teachers have bachelor’s degrees and start out making $42,900 a year, and after seven years of service they can make up to $53,503. Class ll teachers also have bachelor’s degrees and 30 units toward a master’s degree. Their salaries start at $44,924, and after working in the district for 24 years they can make up to $72,741 annually. Class lll teachers have master’s degrees and make $48,519, and after 24 years as a teacher, they can make up to $82,924 a year. Class lV teachers have master’s degrees or 60 units of graduate work completed. They start out at $52,339 and can make up to $92,289 annually. Currently, there are five teachers in Class l, 78 in Class ll, 148 in Class lll and 385 in Class lV. (Preschool teachers are classified in “columns,” but the salaries are identical so FullertonStories.com has combined them in this article).

[SOON2BNSURPRISE]

Originally Posted by oddstray

Exemptions from it. Mainly for the blocs that are pushing it.

It doesn't pass the smell test.

So what 32 does is tells the union leaders that they have to ask the union members if it is OK to use money that the Union members have paid into the unions, money that comes out of each union members paycheck, if they can spend it on a political agenda, but does not require business owners or CEO's to ask employees if it is ok for the business owners to use their own money for the same purpose and you think that is a bad thing?

So unions can use union members money to fund a political agenda even if the union member does not believe in what the union is trying to accomplish and a yes vote on 32 is saying that we the people don't believe that the unions should have that kind of power.

Business on the other hand can not use employees money to fund a political agenda so they are considered exempt. Sure they are exempt, they can't do now what the unions have been doing for decades.

Must be nice to have use of other peoples money and use it how ever you choose even if the membership may not like what you are doing with their money. In effect that is what a no vote on 32 is supporting.

What 32 does is tells the union that they have to get an OK from the member before spending their money. Seems to me that the unions have an unfair advantage. They get to use money that they never earned, while business is required to use their own money.

On top of that, what if a union member just does not like what the union is doing? Why not give them the opportunity to say how the money is spent.

[.highnlite]

I was not sure how to vote on this, but, now I do.

[jimhcom]

Originally Posted by .highnlite

CTA powerful? If that were true, would not class sizes be appropriate, would not teachers be rolling in the dough?

When the leader of a union is given equal status in state level decision making with elected officials, that is not just power, it is obscene power.
It is against every principal this country was founded on and it needs to end.

[NewToCA]

The inequity is kind of obvious to me, and as far as union members objecting to the issues supported and funded by their union, they vote for their leadership and can always support another leader.

The biggest problem with Prop. 32 is that it doesn't play fair. While unions would be constrained from drawing money from members and then spending it for political purposes, the same limits would not in effect apply to corporations and other special interests. While it's true the measure also would bar corporations from using payroll deductions on political agendas, these are rarely a source of funds for big business. Corporations mostly use their own resources and donations from well heeled executives to fund their political activities.

Prop. 32: Unfair, and flawed Measure would ban using payroll deductions for political purposes - Santa Cruz Sentinel

[NewToCA]

Originally Posted by jimhcom

When the leader of a union is given equal status in state level decision making with elected officials, that is not just power, it is obscene power.
It is against every principal this country was founded on and it needs to end.

Same could be said for slavery, so I wouldn't use the "founded" issue too much here.

[CousinMaynard]

soon2b and anyone else, AS IS, RIGHT NOW, any union member who doesnt want money deducted their paycheck to be used for political purposed, you can tell your union you dont want that money taken out.

theyll say no.

youll quote all the information you found from your internet research

theyll act like they dont know what youre talking about

you tell them you dont want to have to come back with your lawyer but you will if you have to.

theyll bring out the papers for you to fill out, youll no longer have to pay that part of union dues, and from that point on you will lose your right to vote at union meetings


its been a while since i was involved in this stuff so for the exacts youre going to have to do your own research, if it really means that much to you it beats bellyaching about it

[TVC15]

I say lets get a Prop on the ballot to get rid of the CA Unions once and for all.

[CousinMaynard]

Originally Posted by TVC15

I say lets get a Prop on the ballot to get rid of the CA Unions once and for all.

as a proud texan are you talking about CAlifornia unions?

or CArpetbaggers unions?

theres good arguments for getting rid of either, or

actually if ya think about one would solve another, if california got rid of unions, that keep most a you carpetbaggers out

[CousinMaynard]

this may have changed, but back about ten or so years ago the union with the highest dollar amount of political contributions was not the teachers union, but it was the california state prison guards union, making big contributions to the republican party