For those of you who moved out of California - (Orange: organic, taxes)

[CAVA1990]

Originally Posted by .highnlite

I do like that, it brings up a couple more of my life rules; "Avoid jobs that require a necktie" and "avoid work that requires a roof over your head".

"Never own anything you have to feed or paint".

Originally Posted by Tex?Il?

I never said anything about those laying around assisted by the government, I was simply saying that most people do not want that life. I do agree that there are those who are unmotivated and try to milk the system as long as they can, sure, but they are very small minority, and when%

I do, but it would require waiters bringing me poolside drinks and snacks.

[.highnlite]

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Originally Posted by CAVA1990

"Never own anything you have to feed or paint".

Well, I lose out there, we have so many critters we trip over them.



I do, but it would require waiters bringing me poolside drinks and snacks.

I strap an old Mexican blanket to my saddle, I ride out onto government land, tie the horse up, lay out the blanket and take my siesta, guess that makes me one of the 47%

[CAVA1990]

Originally Posted by .highnlite

.I strap an old Mexican blanket to my saddle, I ride out onto government land, tie the horse up, lay out the blanket and take my siesta, guess that makes me one of the 47%

Yeah, one of those "extraordinary financial gifts" TR bestowed on us. For Xmas I'll be sending you an official "Moocher Class" tee shirt.

[mountainrose]

Originally Posted by Curmudgeon

Really? Now that's interesting. I quite agree but you seem to apply it only to yourself and deny it to others as you routinely and unceasingly ridicule, demean, disparage and attempt to make unfavorable comparisons to anyone elses preferences that are different from yours.

^^^ totally agree, but let's be compassionate towards .highnlite, as he appears to be suffering from tourettes....or at least is a little too high and a little too lite.

[ralphkramden]

Originally Posted by Fargobound

Your ignorance about the economy of Eastern North Dakota is a beautiful thing.

Ah. So you are an aesthetic connoiseur too? Fancy that. Here's the thing, sport, I mention I was in the Air Force? You know where Grand Forks is? (Yeah, just a holler north of Fargo.) Whatta ya bet I know more about eastern North Dakota than you do? Never mind my father being from western Minnesota, my wife from northern Minnesota and all those family trips to the area, as well as the base. So, you got to Fargo when? Been up camping or to the casino at Devil's Lake yet? Mosquito season is over, you might enjoy it. Be sure to take your mittens though.

Listen. Like I said before: North Dakota's got wheat (and corn, soybeans, flax, canola and a bunch of other grains). And mosquitos. And some dirty coal. And a bit of pumped oil. And now oil shale. The population has remained in a slow decline from about 680,000 total on average since the 1930's -- until just the past few years ( and now it's up what -- about a whopping 40,000?). There's a reason.

Meanwhile, all of a sudden, the U.S. economy tanks and N. Dakota grows. Suddenly the world recognized the wondrousness of the place? Uh, nope. What I wrote before: oil shale. And the boom it brings to the state made it a place you could bail outta beautiful California for and find work. You used to be a Californian, right? But with all your brilliant resourcefulness you have shared with the readers here -- uh, you couldn't find a way to work in your home state.

So now you go traipsing off to hell frozen over and send sophmoric catcalls back to where you weren't clever and resourceful enough to survive?

I drive a bus. But I been around. And I know N. Dakota. And I know California. You wish you were only as ignorant as I am.

[.highnlite]

Originally Posted by CAVA1990

Yeah, one of those "extraordinary financial gifts" TR bestowed on us. For Xmas I'll be sending you an official "Moocher Class" tee shirt.

That is why I voted for him He saved 160 million acres from the land rapers.

Originally Posted by mountainrose

^^^ totally agree, but let's be compassionate towards .highnlite, as he appears to be suffering from tourettes....or at least is a little too high and a little too lite.

That was a lame attempt at an insult, or a personal attack, you are a Christian right?

Get this dearie. I have been around, I have seen more than most, and lived a life fuller than most, a purpose directed strenuous life. Instead of carping, from some suburban hell some place, take my advice. You will have a more interesting life if you do.

By the way, I would expect no attempts at insults lame or not from someone who titles themselves Mountain Rose, that disparages mountain roses across this great land.

For your benefit, high and light is a elevation to travel, and a way to travel, as a ski mountaineer, an entire universe I suspect you have no knowledge of.

[CAVA1990]

Originally Posted by Fargobound

Your ignorance about the economy of Eastern North Dakota is a beautiful thing.

Hmm, I never considered that a "need to know". Count me amongst the ignorant too. I did go through there once on the train. I make it a point now though to never visit and spend money in red states.

[.highnlite]

I saw the movie Fargo, told me all about Eastern North Dakota, that is where in winter people will leave the road and drive deep into harvested cornfields thinking they were still on the road, until they get stuck and then they die from old age before the snow melts.

[Fargobound]

Originally Posted by CAVA1990

I make it a point now though to never visit and spend money in red states.

LOL is Jerry taking too much of your money in taxes.

[nightbird47]

Originally Posted by .highnlite

2.59 % of Oklahoma is public land, available for your recreation.
42% of California is public land available for your recreation.

This is meaningless. The population of California is enormous next to Oklahoma. If everyone decided to go, how many bodies would you be around? The last time I went camping was in the ninetys. I remember the first place was privately run under state lisence. They literally had every empty space they could jammed in with people. It was like an intentional refugee camp. Not fun. The second place was nice, but we had to part outside and sleep in the van for two days before we could get a space. It was state run.

And this took an intentional vacation.

To me the amount of *open* land also matters a whole lot. There is a vast amount of that here. It may be private but it still space which isn't crowded with people. I lived in California until four years ago, and in all that time we went up to camp on the beach in mid/nocal once a year with my aunt, for a few years, and we went up to the mountains for our summer vacation, not on public land but a lodge. As an adult, I went with friends to Big Bear and we climbed all the way up to highest point where you could see both lakes, though because we accidently got on the 'expert' trail it turned into far more of an adventure than we intended.

I'll bet a lot more of the population get to see this public land seldom, since its not something you can drop everything, drive for hours and hours, visit for an hour and leave.... But I HATED the glut of city everywhere. Other things too, but I can breath, afford to live here, and a block or so away is open land. Doesn't matter if its 'public' or not, just that it isn't jammed with suburb.

If the public land was scattered around in clumps where you could go for a few hours when you felt like it it would be different, but almost fifty percent being publically owned seldom made life more fun when you don't have the time of the money to schedule out the time. Having the breathing space around you is free.

And I lived a quarter mile from the beach for a few years too. State owned beach. Never went near it when the swarms from inland were there. Few locals did more than off season looking for shells. And the inland gangs committed roberies on the way home. The copters were constanly looking down with their spotlight where I lived during the summer.

You can like what you like, and I can like what I like and for each its good. Doesn't mean one is by defination 'better' for everyone.