California Government #1 in US for Transparency (Sacramento, Bakersfield: houses, neighborhood, buying)

[Fargobound]

Originally Posted by nullgeo

Which says what about a guy who moves to N. Dakota because he can't cut it in California.

Step back and look at the bigger picture. Would you say that the 9.8% U3 unemployed in California couldn’t hack it? How about those unlucky few that are no longer counted in California. The U6 unemployment average in 2012 was 19.3% in California.

I tried my hardest to find a career level job in California. I had reason to stay, family, friends, my dog etc. It was not easy to just pack up and leave, but I did! There become a point where it’s time to explore other options. I took a huge risk because it was better than waiting for things to improve.

I certainly hope things get better in California, but I don’t see that happening. I’m sure you’ll tell me all about the great weather is. Don’t tell me, I already know. There is not a day that goes by that I don’t wish I were back home with my family, friends and dog.

So to say I can’t hack it, is absurd.

[Fontucky]

Originally Posted by Fargobound

So to say I can’t hack it, is absurd.

Your constant "jilted lover" behavior while posting from the frozen wastelands of NDAK begs for that.

[nullgeo]

Originally Posted by Fargobound

Step back and look at the bigger picture. Would you say that the 9.8% U3 unemployed in California couldn’t hack it? How about those unlucky few that are no longer counted in California. The U6 unemployment average in 2012 was 19.3% in California.

I tried my hardest to find a career level job in California. I had reason to stay, family, friends, my dog etc. It was not easy to just pack up and leave, but I did! There become a point where it’s time to explore other options. I took a huge risk because it was better than waiting for things to improve.

I certainly hope things get better in California, but I don’t see that happening. I’m sure you’ll tell me all about the great weather is. Don’t tell me, I already know. There is not a day that goes by that I don’t wish I were back home with my family, friends and dog.

So to say I can’t hack it, is absurd.

+1 rep to Fargo (from nullgeo!) Excellent, honest, straight from the heart post.

Taunts and sour grapes beg ridicule in return. The problem you faced in California wasn't "California" ... it was the economy ... and California's economy is not independent of the national, and global, economy. It's the 9th most powerful sector in the world. California is / will be fine. You'll get your chance to come back, if that's what you want. I suspect, from what you just wrote, it is.

I was born in the upper-mid-west ... I spent many years, including winters, in Michigan and Minnesota ... I left and would never consider returning. My parents were raised not far from where you are now and dad lived / worked the farms of western Minnesota and N. Dakota. Yes, in those howling sub-zero winters, too. No electricity. No indoor plumbing (!!!). I do not criticize my friends and relatives who choose to stay, even though the place is anathema for me. Some of them love that ice fishing lifestyle.

But brotherman, you ain't from there. You're not likely gonna stay. Just about nobody who grows up in California moves to the upper-mid-west, and then chooses to stay -- for obvious reasons. So looking over your shoulder in hard times and taunting your beautiful, vibrant home -- while saying you have arrived in the promised-land, Valhalla, of N. Dakota just doesn't work. It's just where you found work for the time being.

[Leonard64]

Originally Posted by Fargobound

Step back and look at the bigger picture. Would you say that the 9.8% U3 unemployed in California couldn’t hack it? How about those unlucky few that are no longer counted in California. The U6 unemployment average in 2012 was 19.3% in California.

I tried my hardest to find a career level job in California. I had reason to stay, family, friends, my dog etc. It was not easy to just pack up and leave, but I did! There become a point where it’s time to explore other options. I took a huge risk because it was better than waiting for things to improve.

I certainly hope things get better in California, but I don’t see that happening. I’m sure you’ll tell me all about the great weather is. Don’t tell me, I already know. There is not a day that goes by that I don’t wish I were back home with my family, friends and dog.

So to say I can’t hack it, is absurd.

Hey make money, retire, buy an RV and spend Summers there and Winters in CA. You and Null can caravan around together.

[nullgeo]

Originally Posted by Leonard64

Hey make money, retire, buy an RV and spend Summers there and Winters in CA. You and Null can caravan around together.

Won't ever find me there again in summer either. Hell. Literally. Blistering hot, parched, scorched. No trees to speak of. And where there's water there's some of the world's worst, record-breaking mosquitos ... enormous and dense in population ... I suggest a camping trip up to N.D.'s famous Devil's Lake for a taste of both aspects of hell: heat and blood-letting.

Of course I have left out the other sides of the story: the casino set out in the lake flats, and the town of Devil's Lake ... which town's claim to fame is being home to the state residence school for the Deaf.

Compare any of it to anyplace in California ... even the Salton Sea. Fargobound found work in hell during hard times. Good for him for doing what it took to get by. I've said that before to him. But after growing up in California, the likelihood of being entranced with the northern plains states is slim to none.

[Think4Yourself]

Originally Posted by Fontucky

Your constant "jilted lover" behavior while posting from the frozen wastelands of NDAK begs for that.

Amen. People who are truly happy with their new lives just go on with their lives while people who are trying to mask a personal failing spend years making up lame excuses.

[Leonard64]

Originally Posted by nullgeo

Won't ever find me there again in summer either. Hell. Literally. Blistering hot, parched, scorched. No trees to speak of. And where there's water there's some of the world's worst, record-breaking mosquitos ... enormous and dense in population ... I suggest a camping trip up to N.D.'s famous Devil's Lake for a taste of both aspects of hell: heat and blood-letting.

Of course I have left out the other sides of the story: the casino set out in the lake flats, and the town of Devil's Lake ... which town's claim to fame is being home to the state residence school for the Deaf.

Compare any of it to anyplace in California ... even the Salton Sea. Fargobound found work in hell during hard times. Good for him for doing what it took to get by. I've said that before to him. But after growing up in California, the likelihood of being entranced with the northern plains states is slim to none.

I will take your word for it.

Never been there and no immediate plans to go.

[Senno]

Originally Posted by Leonard64

I will take your word for it.

Never been there and no immediate plans to go.

I don't quite remember it being that bad, lol. Just boring to drive through.

[nullgeo]

Originally Posted by Senno

I don't quite remember it being that bad, lol. Just boring to drive through.

What time of year? And did your car have A/C and working heater ... chains or studded tires? Did you take any memorable photos? No? Why? Rhetorical question.

I lived next door (Minnesota) ... As did both my late wife and present, Deaf, wife (hence the familiarity with Devil's Lake ... Wife taught at S. Dakota School for the Deaf and was hired for contract work and presentations at the ND School as well). And my father's family settled / farmed near the central western Minnesota border with ND/SD ... Some still there. Hence more visits and familiarity.

Excuse me now. I'm camping on the beach in Hawaii but have to find a sweatshirt after just thinking about my frozen tookis back in the day. Ahhh, the memories come clunking back like ice cubes dropping into the glass of my mind.

Any questions why I love California? No? No, I don't even care much if it is the most transparent state.

[Senno]

Originally Posted by nullgeo

What time of year? And did your car have A/C and working heater ... chains or studded tires? Did you take any memorable photos? No? Why? Rhetorical question.

I lived next door (Minnesota) ... As did both my late wife and present, Deaf, wife (hence the familiarity with Devil's Lake ... Wife taught at S. Dakota School for the Deaf and was hired for contract work and presentations at the ND School as well). And my father's family settled / farmed near the central western Minnesota border with ND/SD ... Some still there. Hence more visits and familiarity.

Excuse me now. I'm camping on the beach in Hawaii but have to find a sweatshirt after just thinking about my frozen tookis back in the day. Ahhh, the memories come clunking back like ice cubes dropping into the glass of my mind.

Any questions why I love California? No? No, I don't even care much if it is the most transparent state.

First went to Yellowstone when I was 2. Don't really recall that trip but we do have lots of photos.

We celebrated my grandparents 50th anniversary in Couer-de-alene (sp) in October '79. And we left there and went east for whatever reason through Montana and down into Idaho Falls to see my aunt. Car was air conditioned as it was our new '79 t-bird which I remember.

No really memorable photos of Montana on that trip. Just boring and long.

Then we visited cousins in E. Helena in '85 or so. No memorable photos. During summer. Another boring long car ride.

Umm, seems I've been to Montana another time but I can't exactly remember when.

I've been to Idaho many, many times, and parts of Montana look suspiciously like southern Idaho to me.

I did once get snowed in out at my aunts house for a week when I was 10 or 11. We came home late for school after Christmas vacation. I considered that great at the time. I only had to shovel my aunts walk some and help milk the cows.

We could have snow mobilled into town if we needed to though. But we were ok out on the farm.

I have since decided I don't want to live in snow. It's fine to visit though.

I'm kinda used to heat, having lived in Phoenix and living in Fresno. It doesn't bother me much.

OnTopic: Transparency, woot.