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Old 02-09-2013, 11:29 AM
 
Location: Rocky Mountain Xplorer
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These wells are tapping crude directly from what is called the Monterey Shale, which could represent the future of California’s oil industry — and a potential arena for conflict between drillers and the state’s powerful environmental interests.

At one such exploratory site, tall pump jacks stood above two active wells on a small patch of federal land. For now, the operator, Venoco, has been storing the oil in two large tanks. But construction is scheduled to start soon on pipelines, and more wells are planned.

Comprising two-thirds of the United States’s total estimated shale oil reserves and covering 1,750 square miles from Southern to Central California, the Monterey Shale could turn California into the nation’s top oil-producing state and yield the kind of riches that far smaller shale oil deposits have showered on North Dakota and Texas.

The Monterey Shale has also galvanized California’s powerful environmental groups. They are pressing the state to strictly regulate hydraulic fracturing, or fracking, the drilling technique that has fueled the shale oil and gas boom elsewhere but has drawn opposition from many environmentalists. In December, the State Department of Conservation released a draft of fracking rules, the first step in a yearlong process to establish regulations.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/04/us...anted=all&_r=0
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Old 02-09-2013, 11:34 AM
 
Location: Sacramento
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My prediction is that the environmentalist will likely win here, and either prevent or minimize the extraction of this resource.
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Old 02-09-2013, 11:38 AM
 
Location: SW MO
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Anywhere else I'd say, "Big money rapes environment." I have more faith in CA than that.
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Old 02-09-2013, 12:22 PM
 
Location: Rocky Mountain Xplorer
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My prediction is that the environmentalist will likely win here, and either prevent or minimize the extraction of this resource.
In other words, you think that once again environmentalists come between employment opportunities and the
unemployed & tax revenues for Sacramento ?
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Old 02-09-2013, 12:47 PM
 
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In other words, you think that once again environmentalists come between employment opportunities and the
unemployed & tax revenues for Sacramento ?
Thankfully.

It's called vision (you know, of the future?). And California has more wealth of vision than most any other place in North America, if not the entire world. You can see many examples of how California's vision has positively affected a world threatened by greed and avarice.
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Old 02-09-2013, 03:05 PM
 
Location: San Luis Obispo and Santa Barbara Counties
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In other words, you think that once again environmentalists come between employment opportunities and the
unemployed & tax revenues for Sacramento ?
Here is an idea, do some homework, find out just what the state gets from oil extracted in the state.

Employment opportunities? Kinda funny, a drill crew from Kern County, say a max of 16 men will show up, drill, a maintenance crew of no more than 4 will handle all the wells in the area.

More men are employed building solar and wind plants than are employed drilling. Most of this shale oil is on private land, a good number of private land owners don't want wells on their land, we don't.

Just think, when Drake drilled his well in Pennsylvania, the entrenched whale oil people said," What about our jobs and tax revenues?"

No sense in sticking to last centuries technology.
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Old 02-09-2013, 04:05 PM
 
Location: Sacramento
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In other words, you think that once again environmentalists come between employment opportunities and the unemployed & tax revenues for Sacramento ?
Likely so, but this eventually could turn into a state vs federal battle, though not in the near future.
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Old 02-11-2013, 06:24 AM
 
Location: Quimper Peninsula
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My prediction is that the environmentalist will likely win here, and either prevent or minimize the extraction of this resource.
Have you ever considered it is more than "environmentalist" that would oppose this...? Cities and the agriculture industry are already fighting over water.... We do not need more competition for water.

Hellooooooo Hydro fracking... For those of you with your heads so far up the political elephants ass... You may have missed the word HYDRO....

California has water problems already...

"environmentalists" give me a freaking break....
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Old 02-11-2013, 07:13 AM
 
Location: So California
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My prediction is that the environmentalist will likely win here, and either prevent or minimize the extraction of this resource.

I agree.

There is the potential for lots and lots of jobs and money, Ive seen it here with the Barnett Shale, but Californians wouldnt stand for it. With good reason.
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Old 02-11-2013, 07:41 AM
 
Location: Sacramento
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Have you ever considered it is more than "environmentalist" that would oppose this...? Cities and the agriculture industry are already fighting over water.... We do not need more competition for water.

Hellooooooo Hydro fracking... For those of you with your heads so far up the political elephants ass... You may have missed the word HYDRO....

California has water problems already...

"environmentalists" give me a freaking break....
Actually, cities and agriculture are "fighting over" fresh water, but the use of fresh water isn't required to extract from the Monterey Shale. Per the experience in Texas:

“We are using more and more brackish water, and reuse or recycled water, and we think that is all positive,” said CJ Tredway, a consultant with the oil and gas association on water issues.

Report: As Drilling Grows, Fracking Using More Water | StateImpact Texas
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