California fire cause(s)? (park, weather, lawn)

[Delta Planter]

Originally Posted by hello-world

just out of curiosity, what do you make of the pattern in time and space of the fires? did you look at the maps linked in previous posts here? does it look to you like the way it usually happens (over decades kind of thing)?

I honestly can't answer your question. I heard about the fires, and how bad they are/were, and have only seen shorts on the tube when passing by, or clips on the web of the situation. As I don't live in the area, and never will, God willing, I have no real interest in it. I do believe stuff happens, be the stuff fire, wind, rain, whatever Mother Nature has to dole out. And I do believe there are pyromaniacs on this earth, too.

[recycled]

Originally Posted by hello-world

so, someone pointed me to this article that claims that a few of the fires were arson.
O.C.'s Santiago fire rages - Los Angeles Times
anyone else find any other links that claim any other arson suspicions?
any other thoughts?
thanks.

I live right next to the area that was burned by the Santiago Canyon fire in Orange County. It's been burning for the last 4 days in my area, raining down ashes. Fire came less than a half mile from where I live. It's still burning in a canyon about 4 or 5 air miles from where I live. You can't be outside more than a few minutes without feeling sick, the air is so thick with particles and smoke.
A co-worker of mine was in the fire zone today (job related visit) and saw an entire team of FBI evidence investigators on Santiago Canyon Road. He counted about 20 people wearing Yellow T shirts with FBI in big blue letters on the front and back, so it was clear they were pretty serious. They were searching for clues in an area the large fire apparently started at. The arson suspicions are true. In the area of the Santiago Canyon fire, there were no down power lines. I know that for a fact, it is related to my work.

The fire traveled across 8 miles of hills in less than a day, it was a very frightening thing. Luckily in our area, less than a dozen or so homes have been burned but it has put a terrible toll on the environment, the beauty of the area and millions of people. I have been locked up indoors all week, unable to breathe due to the horrible contaminated air. Many thousands of my neighbors have slept at schools or shelters. Many people I work with brought their families to our workplace where our company put them up for the night. I hope they find the culprit of this horrible crime.

[hello-world]

Originally Posted by recycled

I live right next to the area that was burned by the Santiago Canyon fire in Orange County. It's been burning for the last 4 days in my area, raining down ashes. Fire came less than a half mile from where I live. It's still burning in a canyon about 4 or 5 air miles from where I live. You can't be outside more than a few minutes without feeling sick, the air is so thick with particles and smoke.
A co-worker of mine was in the fire zone today (job related visit) and saw an entire team of FBI evidence investigators on Santiago Canyon Road. He counted about 20 people wearing Yellow T shirts with FBI in big blue letters on the front and back, so it was clear they were pretty serious. They were searching for clues in an area the large fire apparently started at. The arson suspicions are true. In the area of the Santiago Canyon fire, there were no down power lines. I know that for a fact, it is related to my work.

The fire traveled across 8 miles of hills in less than a day, it was a very frightening thing. Luckily in our area, less than a dozen or so homes have been burned but it has put a terrible toll on the environment, the beauty of the area and millions of people. I have been locked up indoors all week, unable to breathe due to the horrible contaminated air. Many thousands of my neighbors have slept at schools or shelters. Many people I work with brought their families to our workplace where our company put them up for the night. I hope they find the culprit of this horrible crime.

i can feel some of your pain through your writing. i'm sorry you and others have had to endure this.

any ideas or info on the other fires? do you know whether the FBI has been involved in investigating those, and whether there's any suspicion concerning some coordination in setting the fires? what's YOUR hunch?

[milquetoast]

A terrorist can be a group of idiots, or a singular ass. A terrorist is someone or something that can bring about death and destruction through violent or time delayed means, then threaten future occurances to instill anxiety or 'terror' in the population. Are these terrorists, or just arsonists? I've heard about investigations on the fire in Orange county, and I've heard that an idiot was caught in the act and chased by police until he died in an accident. Real buffer zones will have to be designed for this burgeoning population to separate the developed areas from the undeveloped. Seems unreal, though, that an ass with a lighter can set into motion a force of 'nature' that can't be defended against until it becomes weak enough to knock down. By that time it has eaten and killed far beyond the puny imagination of the murderer/catalyst.

[downtown1]

FBI will find that out pretty soon. Stay tuned

[downtown1]

Arson suspect killed, another arrested

Police in San Bernardino shoot an Arizona man who fled after being spotted near the Cal State campus. In a separate incident, a Hesperia man is in custody.

Arson suspect killed, another arrested - Los Angeles Times

[Steve_W]

I think torture should be allowed for sh*itbags like that.

[hello-world]

it just seems like so many started at about the same time, AT such the perfect time (peak of the santa anas, which i guess you might be able to see in a weather forecast) and were so effectively located, there may have been some coordination. course, some of fires, e.g., might "just" have been people taking advantage of some craziness (concerted or not). it will be interesting to see what pans out, here.

[rmgoldhunter]

In the olden days (before ultra conservation), the livestock would have kept the grass mowed, and the logging industry fire crews would have put the fire out in a flash.

[happ]

Originally Posted by rmgoldhunter

In the olden days (before ultra conservation), the livestock would have kept the grass mowed, and the logging industry fire crews would have put the fire out in a flash.

In your dreams! Wild fires have occurred going back centuries. It doesn't take much to start a fire but most happen when power lines spark in extremely high winds. Even a lawn mover can trigger a fire during very dry & hot windy weather. Before the civilization of California most fires started from lightning & burned until they stopped on their own. Its actually part of the eco-system.