CA vehicle registration with an out of state license/residency (exemptions, military)

[1200RT]

I hate be the bearer of bad news, but the DMV was right. I can't say they were right for acting the way they did, but they are not going to register your bike and be in violation of the law.

The H&S code I posted above (43151(c)) is what allows 7,500 mile vehicle from out of state to be reg'd here, and is pretty clear about you needing to be a resident for that code to apply.

For what its worth, we, in CA, often make it difficult to follow the laws, especially the VC/HSC, as it pertains to vehicle registrations, and unfortunately it often turns into a major Charlie Foxtrot for people trying to do it somewhat honestly.

Anyway, enjoy riding in CA, best state for it in the country, IMO.

[nshocker]

Originally Posted by 1200RT

I hate be the bearer of bad news, but the DMV was right. I can't say they were right for acting the way they did, but they are not going to register your bike and be in violation of the law.

The H&S code I posted above (43151(c)) is what allows 7,500 mile vehicle from out of state to be reg'd here, and is pretty clear about you needing to be a resident for that code to apply.

For what its worth, we, in CA, often make it difficult to follow the laws, especially the VC/HSC, as it pertains to vehicle registrations, and unfortunately it often turns into a major Charlie Foxtrot for people trying to do it somewhat honestly.

Anyway, enjoy riding in CA, best state for it in the country, IMO.

Like you said it is pretty clear I need to be a California resident for that code to apply, but there is a exception to that code which is shown on the handbook, flyer, and website. That exception is, as I mention before, is if I'm an out of state resident bringing a vehicle to California that is registered in another state then the 7,500 miles do not apply. When I showed her this she stumbled a bit because she thought it only applied to military which wasn't the case. In the end, the lack of the fed epa sticker is what prevented my registration.

[1200RT]

Where is this exemption?


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[OwlKaMyst]

Originally Posted by 1200RT

That is not even remotely true.

This forum has awful selective reading - I sometimes wonder if the first post is read, the rest of the posts are ignored, and then people post whatever they "think" is true, and ignore the rest.

I read. I read that someone with a Florida driver's license, who lives in Florida is driving a motorcycle with Florida plates in the state of California.
What exactly could the cite him for? For being from out of state?

[sunshine7793]

If the CA bureaucrats really want to be axxholes they can prove that you are keeping a vehicle here for long periods of time with an out-of-state registration. Neighbors have been known to turn in "offenders". But with the FL driver's license I don't think you will have trouble. And afterall it's only a motorcycle.

But still seems like an insane amount of trouble for nothing. How much air polution could your 49 state motorcycle cause anyway? But facts, logic and reason have no effect on these people. CA has a burearcracy that would be envied even in France and India.

[1200RT]

Originally Posted by OwlKaMyst

I read. I read that someone with a Florida driver's license, who lives in Florida is driving a motorcycle with Florida plates in the state of California.
What exactly could the cite him for? For being from out of state?

Originally Posted by nshocker

My residency and DL is in Florida, where I work. However I do stay/visit with family at their residents in California for extended period of time. I keep my motorcycle here to have something to drive around. It is still registered in Florida.

4000.4. (a) Except as provided in Sections 6700, 6702, and 6703, any vehicle which is registered to a nonresident owner, and which is based in California or primarily used on California highways, shall be registered in California.

(b) For purposes of this section, a vehicle is deemed to be primarily or regularly used on the highways of this state if the vehicle is located or operated in this state for a greater amount of time than it is located or operated in any other individual state during the registration period in question.

Well, you would cite him for 4000.4(a)vc. It doesn't take a master investigator to determine if someone is visiting or not, or if a vehicle is based here or not. 4000.4 is actually a relatively common cite, common enough to be carried in the Bail Schedule (its only a $25+fees cite in LA County).

[nshocker]

Originally Posted by 1200RT

Where is this exemption?


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FFVR 29 on their website and their Fast Facts Flyer FFVR 29. Also listed on the Nonresident vehicle CL12 procedure handbook under exemptions on page 12-6.

You are also correct about needing to register it in CA if its in CA longer than any other state even if I'm a out of state resident. It's the reason why I attempted to get it registered.

It seem that people under my exact same circumstance had been able to get their motorcycle registered.

Also looking further into it, I may have found out that non-California motorcycles may not be required to have emission sticker at all. I haven't verified that for my bike because I've pretty much given up.

[Mack Knife]

When you get a citation or the bike is impounded, remember to come back right here and ask all those telling you not to register the bike in CA for their kind help once more. I am sure they'll chip in.

You were given the best answers by 1200RT. You can choose to ignore that or deal with the eventual problems, they will arrive.

[nshocker]

Originally Posted by Mack Knife

When you get a citation or the bike is impounded, remember to come back right here and ask all those telling you not to register the bike in CA for their kind help once more. I am sure they'll chip in.

You were given the best answers by 1200RT. You can choose to ignore that or deal with the eventual problems, they will arrive.

It is obvious you didn't read the thread entirely, but I'm not going to try to explain it again.

[1200RT]

Originally Posted by nshocker

FFVR 29 on their website and their Fast Facts Flyer FFVR 29. Also listed on the Nonresident vehicle CL12 procedure handbook under exemptions on page 12-6.

You are also correct about needing to register it in CA if its in CA longer than any other state even if I'm a out of state resident. It's the reason why I attempted to get it registered.

It seem that people under my exact same circumstance had been able to get their motorcycle registered.

Also looking further into it, I may have found out that non-California motorcycles may not be required to have emission sticker at all. I haven't verified that for my bike because I've pretty much given up.

I'm sorry, but you're still not correct.

The section from the DMV reg handbook you're referencing, I believe, says "The owner/resident of another state brings a vehicle registered to him/her in the other state into California.", which is made possible by 43151hsc, which I quoted above, and applies to residents only. Thy even call it out in the title of the section "Exemptions (H&SC §43151[b & c])".

If you're reading something different, please post the actual text so we can put this to bed.


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