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Old 03-22-2013, 12:50 PM
 
Location: On the "Left Coast", somewhere in "the Land of Fruits & Nuts"
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Good points, though sometimes dunno how ''representative'' these forums are, since the stats indicate that a lot of 'em are ''over-represented'' by places like the Carolinas for example. But you're right it does seem to be a ''hard sell'' especially for the low-end of labor that used to fill most of those manufacturing jobs of yesteryear, let alone that they must compete now with ''furiners'' (much of which also gets back to the ''cultural'' thang).

And yes, no question that education itself hasn't caught up yet, part of which is the outmoded manufacturing model you mention, but I think another obstacle is the misplaced egalitarian model we've always had, that everybody should ''go to college''. When the obvious fact is that not everyone is cut out to be a programmer or engineer. Which is why the old-fashioned ''trade schools'' should be re-invented and given more legitimacy. Just as they have in places like Germany, which has a ''multi-tiered'' educational system from the get-go, that actually coordinates educational needs and students with corporations, industry and the guvmint (but OMG... that sounds like Socialism)!
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Old 03-22-2013, 01:31 PM
 
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The question no one seems to really ask is: where does all this ever increasing technological development lead us? I know where farming leads -- food on the table. All the pressure to "advance our children" to develop more and more complexity is a Ponzi pursuit. Just where in hell do we think we are going? And why is it better than where / what we already are? We haven't even scratched the surface of our inner selves -- yet we are going to conquer the external universe ... to what end?
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Old 03-22-2013, 01:40 PM
 
Location: San Diego, California Republic
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The question no one seems to really ask is: where does all this ever increasing technological development lead us? I know where farming leads -- food on the table. All the pressure to "advance our children" to develop more and more complexity is a Ponzi pursuit. Just where in hell do we think we are going? And why is it better than where / what we already are? We haven't even scratched the surface of our inner selves -- yet we are going to conquer the external universe ... to what end?
Thing is null, no one knew where new ways of thinking would lead us in the past until after the fact. it was believed you would fall off the earth if you attempted to sail around it. We are still at the beginning of a new revolution in our history. Human beings have always have a natural and powerful urge to explore then unknown, to take risks. those first pioneers who left Africa had no idea what they were in for. But they did it. Those who first crossed the land bridge into the Americas were faced with the same uncertainty. That didn't stop them. Sailing around the globe for the first time was a big unknown but it was done. Going into space for the first time...you get my point. This natural and power curiosity is the highlight of human evolution, it's what keeps us going. If we had all the answers, we'd stop evolving and die out. Remember, satisfaction is the death of desire.
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Old 03-22-2013, 01:41 PM
 
Location: On the "Left Coast", somewhere in "the Land of Fruits & Nuts"
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What Technology Wants, by Kevin Kelly, co-founder of Wired Magazine

Are new ideas and new inventions inevitable? Are they driven by us or by a larger force of nature? Is technology a natural system, an extension of biological evolution... our evolution? By mapping the behavior of life, we paradoxically get a glimpse at where technology itself is headed-or "what it wants."

BTW, there's a downloadable pdf of the book here:
http://www.lynnyang.co/wp-content/up...logy-Wants.pdf
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Old 03-22-2013, 01:42 PM
 
Location: Everywhere and Nowhere
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I decided you are in Cleveland CAVA. That's cause your names short for Cavalier. And not California/Virginia.

How is Cleveland?
CA--->VA in 1990. I don't think I've ever been to Cleveland. My time in Ohio was entirely on-board a train.
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Old 03-22-2013, 01:48 PM
 
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CA--->VA in 1990. I don't think I've ever been to Cleveland. My time in Ohio was entirely on-board a train.
Whew. I was kinda worried you was stuck in Cleveland and their rust belt economy.
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Old 03-22-2013, 01:50 PM
 
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Thing is null, no one knew where new ways of thinking would lead us in the past until after the fact. it was believed you would fall off the earth if you attempted to sail around it. We are still at the beginning of a new revolution in our history. Human beings have always have a natural and powerful urge to explore then unknown, to take risks. those first pioneers who left Africa had no idea what they were in for. But they did it. Those who first crossed the land bridge into the Americas were faced with the same uncertainty. That didn't stop them. Sailing around the globe for the first time was a big unknown but it was done. Going into space for the first time...you get my point. This natural and power curiosity is the highlight of human evolution, it's what keeps us going. If we had all the answers, we'd stop evolving and die out. Remember, satisfaction is the death of desire.
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What Technology Wants, by Kevin Kelly, co-founder of Wired Magazine

Are new ideas and new inventions inevitable? Are they driven by us or by a larger force of nature? Is technology a natural system, an extension of biological evolution... our evolution? By mapping the behavior of life, we paradoxically get a glimpse at where technology itself is headed-or "what it wants."

BTW, there's a downloadable pdf of the book here:
http://www.lynnyang.co/wp-content/up...logy-Wants.pdf
My esteemed colleagues, may I make a suggestion? At this point of having exhausted new lands and seas we can walk and sail by modest means, turn inward to the infinite universe within ... that is where you will find the light you seek. The external is merely the 'dust of ten thousand things'.
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Old 03-22-2013, 01:51 PM
 
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My esteemed colleagues, may I make a suggestion? At this point of having exhausted new lands and seas we can walk and sail by modest means, turn inward to the infinite universe within ... that is where you will find the light you seek. The external is merely the 'dust of ten thousand things'.
That reminds me that I'm waiting for a response from that little lady in Kansas in her new thread.
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Old 03-22-2013, 01:52 PM
 
Location: San Diego, California Republic
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My esteemed colleagues, may I make a suggestion? At this point of having exhausted new lands and seas we can walk and sail by modest means, turn inward to the infinite universe within ... that is where you will find the light you seek. The external is merely the 'dust of ten thousand things'.
Exactly! Which is why our curiosity has set us on a technological path. There is too much to discover out there.
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Old 03-22-2013, 01:55 PM
 
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Exactly! Which is why our curiosity has set us on a technological path. There is too much to discover out there.
It is an empty illusion and a trap. A distraction from essence. Carry on.
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