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Old 06-05-2013, 03:48 PM
Location: Central Texas
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Originally Posted by Ginsaw View Post
And the essential math on this is, four of nine "justices" were willing to toss the 2nd Amendment, and it will be dumped as soon as one of the majority in the Heller decision is replaced by the current occupant of the WH. That's an undeniable fact.

And to add to that cheery news, one of those four who can't wait to throw out the 2nd Amendment is on record as saying she wants to dump the ENTIRE U.S. Constitution and substitute therefor what South Africa calls a constitution. Does that quaint notion suit everybody?

Anyway, the 1st Amendment has ALREADY been limited in a number of ways, including "hate crimes", which criminalizes essentially political "thought" rather than action, which traditionally has been the focus of criminal prosecution in civilized Western culture.

So now we have "thought crimes".
Perhaps you didn't choose your words very well. How does the SCOTUS throw out the 2nd Amendment? Declare an amendment to the Constitution unconstitutional?

If the balance of the court changes, it would still take significant legal action to try to ban handguns somewhere. Heller is settled law. A lower court would have to somehow rule against Heller, a decision by the highest court.
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Old 06-07-2013, 05:01 PM
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Originally Posted by oldtrader View Post
Lets look at facts.

They want to control rifles, as they kill a lot of people so regulate what type rifle people can own. According to the FBI records, only about 350 to 450 people are killed by rifles each year.

But 750 to 875, are killed by feet, fists, and hands. Are they going to demand next that people have to have their hands and feet be tied behind their back so they can't be used to kill twice as many people as rifles? Feet, fists, and hands are about twice as deadly as rifles.

And 540 to 650 people are killed by clubs and hammers which is more than killed by rifles. Are they going to outlaw hammers next, so they cannot be even purchased as they are not protected by the constitution.

The most murders are by handguns, and most of those are done by gang members and/or people that know one another according to the FBI, and random killings are very rare and that includes with rifles according to the FBI. If you think that gang members are going to worry about gun laws and what they can carry to use to kill other people you are dreaming.

In fact 2 of the top 10 most dangerous cities by murders in the U.S. are in California.

Most Dangerous Cities in America - Murder Rates - Yahoo! Voices - voices.yahoo.com

What is the amount of gang violence and murder in these two cities?

It appears that the government could lower the murder rate in California if they spent the time and effort figuring out how to stop the gang violence in California, instead of trying to disarm the general population of California that is not doing the murders. Just a thought.
You have a propensity to use old data, I believe your list is 2009 most deadliest. On the off-chance you would like something more current America's 10 Deadliest Cities 2012

I don't know if it makes any difference on the point you were probably trying to make as I long ago gave up trying to understand you.
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