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Old 07-08-2013, 06:38 AM
 
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Saw this and wanted to share it.

The article states that prisons were sterilizing women, ant that California in particular is guilty of this practice.

Anyone have any further info on this? Is this old news? According to the article, this was happening fairly recently.

This will surely lead to lawsuits against the state, won't it?

Here's the link:

California Prisons Were Illegally Sterilizing Female Inmates
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Old 07-08-2013, 11:51 AM
 
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Lawsuits? Probably. But doggonit, finally someone had the good sense to stop these people from spawning.
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Old 07-08-2013, 12:59 PM
 
Location: Carmichael, CA
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Slippery slope issue. The women did sign consent forms, whether they were talked into it or at their own request, so lawsuits might not be likely.

One comment was made that doctors routinely suggest this after a difficult C-section birth. Maybe some doctors do, but I don't think that's an industry standard.

However, the really tacky remark by the doctor about the cost savings over lifetime welfare payments will probably get people upset.

Oregon was actively engaged in eugenics up until 1983, not sure about laws in other states.
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Old 07-08-2013, 01:52 PM
 
Location: Boulder Creek, CA
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Dr. Heinrich seems to be harkening back to a rather diabolical sort of German "medicine" practiced many decades ago...

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One doctor, Dr. James Heinrich, who used to work at Valley State, defended the procedure as cost efficient:
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The 69-year-old Bay Area physician denied pressuring anyone and expressed surprise that local contract doctors had charged for the surgeries. He described the $147,460 total as minimal.


“Over a 10-year period, that isn’t a huge amount of money,” Heinrich said, “compared to what you save in welfare paying for these unwanted children – as they procreated more.”
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Old 07-08-2013, 02:55 PM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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Slippery slope issue. The women did sign consent forms, whether they were talked into it or at their own request, so lawsuits might not be likely.

One comment was made that doctors routinely suggest this after a difficult C-section birth. Maybe some doctors do, but I don't think that's an industry standard.

However, the really tacky remark by the doctor about the cost savings over lifetime welfare payments will probably get people upset.

Oregon was actively engaged in eugenics up until 1983, not sure about laws in other states.
The same thing can be said about the cost savings and crime reduction because of leagalizing abortion. It is the same principle, just at a different juncture.
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Old 07-08-2013, 03:06 PM
 
Location: Boulder Creek, CA
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The same thing can be said about the cost savings and crime reduction because of leagalizing abortion. It is the same principle, just at a different juncture.
Legalized abortion and eugenics are the same principle?
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Old 07-08-2013, 03:18 PM
 
Location: the illegal immigrant state
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Lawsuits? Probably. But doggonit, finally someone had the good sense to stop these people from spawning.
LOL.

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Dr. Heinrich seems to be harkening back to a rather diabolical sort of German "medicine" practiced many decades ago...
Good thing he doesn't have a German surname or else there would be some irony here!!

More generally replying to the topic, this is for the better. Just imagine (1) how many more children those women would have had, (2) what kind of a life those women would have given those children and (3) how big of a burden those children would have been to the taxpayers not only for their childhood living expenses but for their incarceration in their teens and beyond.

This program should be expanded from the prison system to all emergency rooms giving taxpayer-subsidized child deliveries to people who can't afford to raise those children.

Just imagine what CA would be like in the years ahead if people had only as many children as (1) they could actually provide for and (2) whose social services they could fund with their contributions to the tax base. This might actually be a good place for the middle class to raise children!

Until this fantasy is realized, we'll have... what we have now.
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Old 07-08-2013, 03:29 PM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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Legalized abortion and eugenics are the same principle?
When it is optional (like at the prison) it serves the same purpose, just as handing out condoms, to prevent unwanted pregnancies.
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Old 07-08-2013, 03:32 PM
 
Location: Boulder Creek, CA
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When it is optional (like at the prison) it serves the same purpose, just as handing out condoms, to prevent unwanted pregnancies.
Except, the OP was discussing an article that suggested that the prison program, in practice, may not necessarily have been "optional".
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Old 07-08-2013, 03:37 PM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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Except, the OP was discussing an article that suggested that the prison program, in practice, may not necessarily have been "optional".
Except the article the OP linked says people are not forced, just explained their options. Much like if you are overweight and go to your doctor the doctor explains to you why being overweight is bad and options on how to correct it. You are not forced to go on a diet.
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