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Old 07-22-2013, 08:57 AM
 
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Roger that Dawg
(See, we can agree on some things ... now, about the purpose of government, where I am right ... and you ....)
are MORE right?
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Old 07-22-2013, 09:00 AM
 
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are MORE right?
... er, I mean I am left ... and you are right, off the scale ...
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Old 07-22-2013, 09:04 AM
 
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... er, I mean I am left ... and you are right, off the scale ...
Whos on first, whats on second and......
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Old 07-22-2013, 09:09 AM
 
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Whos on first, whats on second and......
... and let's do lunch ... with decent mediation we may agree on a menu ...
I'll start: nuts, seeds, raw fruits and veggies ... side of fresh fish fillet ... strictly water for thirst.

Take note CalPERS!
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Old 07-22-2013, 10:12 AM
 
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Interesting state vs federal fight evolving over this issue, I can't see how it doesn't end up in the Supreme Court.
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Old 07-22-2013, 02:08 PM
 
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Not until SCOTUS, unless pension systems come to the table. As I called it several years ago this will continue to be a cascade of events across the county. Having been involved in many untold number of contract renegotiations over the last 30 years, a compromise is almost always better than what you'll get in court or mediation. Not to mention the money savings in legal fees.

States Rights vs Federal Law, pensions last gasp.
I imagine there are some work arounds... I don't think Calpers wants to play chicken with the voters... How did Reagan do when he fired all the air traffic controllers?

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Old 07-22-2013, 02:59 PM
 
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Excellent. Please provide a list of the 123 agencies you'd like to cut.

Then, provide an adequate response to the what you'd like the 3% of working age Californians you just unceremoniously fired to do now that their jobs no longer exist and were not replaced with other job openings.

Perhaps they can join the ranks of the homeless in the state whose aid you'd almost certainly also like to cut so we can save even more taxes.

Because what California needs is to tack another 3% to the unemployment numbers and add a million homeless people without aid to the streets. But hey, at least our taxes will go down, right?
They can do what private sector employees have had to do - find another job. Or move. Or do one of a number of things that unemployed people do. I'm not sure why public sector jobs should be immune from the realities of NO MORE MONEY.
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Old 07-22-2013, 03:01 PM
 
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Oh, I get it. Public employees aren't allowed any dignity because they don't contribute to the GDP. Of course, if they all quit in shame there would be no fire or police protection, no courts, jails or prisons, no streets or freeways, no one would need to be licensed for anything including doctors and nurses and corporations would be able to run wild and ride ripshod over the public. Guess that means you're fully in favor of anarchy.

As for the rest, yet another virulent case of pension envy. That's attractive.
Out of the jobs on that HUGE list, I'm pretty sure very few of them are "vital". Easily 1/3 to 1/2 could be cut, with little or no impact on the public.
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Old 07-22-2013, 03:19 PM
 
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Out of the jobs on that HUGE list, I'm pretty sure very few of them are "vital". Easily 1/3 to 1/2 could be cut, with little or no impact on the public.
What?

Sorry but your comment indicates you haven't been following news reports of increased crime or longer response times to fires in various communities. There has been plenty of impact, due to cuts, over the past few years. None of it good, either. If you don't live in an area that has experienced this sort of thing, count yourself lucky. Don't get too comfortable, though. It could be coming soon to a neighborhood in your area.
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Old 07-22-2013, 03:29 PM
 
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Out of the jobs on that HUGE list, I'm pretty sure very few of them are "vital". Easily 1/3 to 1/2 could be cut, with little or no impact on the public.
You say "[you] are pretty sure ... Easily 1/3 to 1/2 ..." ... but you don't say how you are pretty sure ... please fill us in on your insider information so we can be as "sure" as you ... some numbers, facts, data ...

Thanks ... looking forward to the update.
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