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Old 07-23-2013, 07:47 AM
 
Location: SW MO
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You're ignoring,once again, that there is a large "degree of difference" between the population sizes of the various states. California is much larger than the vast majority of states, only Texas comes close.

That is a lot, and as I pointed out, the peculiar aspect of California is that it has one of the highest tax burdens while having some of the most serious budgetary issues. Where exactly is all the money going?

I'm sorry, but I'm not a California cheerleader nor a California doomer, my concerns about the state haven't changed that much over the years. I've never scoffed at "detractors", just some of the things they say.
I guess that means that size matters, huh?

The one tax that rarely gets figured in is the "Sunshine Tax," particularly as it factors into housing. That can be significant.

Come on, user, you last point is splitting hairs.

However painful, I do have to admit that I've agreed with a number of points you've made during this discourse. At my age can that be the result of anything less than senility?
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Old 07-23-2013, 09:01 AM
 
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You're ignoring,once again, that there is a large "degree of difference" between the population sizes of the various states. California is much larger than the vast majority of states, only Texas comes close.


That is a lot, and as I pointed out, the peculiar aspect of California is that it has one of the highest tax burdens while having some of the most serious budgetary issues. Where exactly is all the money going?
I didn't ignore anything, user ... I agreed that "size matters" ... and can be quite significant. That said, 25% better than the norm is remarkable, at least. And, given that other high population states don't achieve any similar efficiency of scale, uh ....

Most significantly, as I have pointed out and you conveniently ignore: at worst, California is doing as credible a job of efficiency with personnel as other states ... yet, here, in this thread, we have, once again, as usual, detractors trying to paint California as somehow the most remarkable example of mismanagement and malfeasance in the the country's history. It's not. It is, just like everyplace else, bumbling along, doing what it can with its resources given the foibles of human nature.

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I'm sorry, but I'm not a California cheerleader nor a California doomer, my concerns about the state haven't changed that much over the years. I've never scoffed at "detractors", just some of the things they say.
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha ... very good, user ... very good indeed. Never admit to nuthin', right? You not only scoffed at some of the things detractors said, but you argued against some of their very positions you are arguing for here.

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I guess that means that size matters, huh?

The one tax that rarely gets figured in is the "Sunshine Tax," particularly as it factors into housing. That can be significant.

Come on, user, you last point is splitting hairs.

However painful, I do have to admit that I've agreed with a number of points you've made during this discourse. At my age can that be the result of anything less than senility?
User often makes excellent observations ... and then proceeds to engage in parsing things to absurd minutiae. It's fun. He's fun.
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Old 07-23-2013, 08:40 PM
 
Location: Conejo Valley, CA
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Most significantly, as I have pointed out and you conveniently ignore: at worst, California is doing as credible a job of efficiency with personnel as other states ... yet, here, in this thread, we have, once again, as usual, detractors trying to paint California as somehow the most remarkable example of mismanagement and malfeasance in the the country's history.
I haven't made any claims about the efficiency of personnel, nor departments, within California state government. Instead I've pointed out between the tax burden and what tax payers are getting, money seems to be disappearing.

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... You not only scoffed at some of the things detractors said, but you argued against some of their very positions you are arguing for here.
I did no such thing, perhaps you've misunderstood matters? I don't think there is anything wrong with changing your mind, if I did change my mind I would say so....but my position hasn't changed much.

But, I always find it funny that in American culture changing your mind is seen negatively.....
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Old 07-23-2013, 08:45 PM
 
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...money seems to be disappearing.
How strange.

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I don't think there is anything wrong with changing your mind ... I always find it funny that in American culture changing your mind is seen negatively.....
I do entirely agree.
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Old 07-23-2013, 09:12 PM
 
Location: SW MO
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But, I always find it funny that in American culture changing your mind is seen negatively.....
What I find funny is that in my America, obviously not yours, changing their minds has always been acceptable for women; expected even. It's a right!
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