11-12-2007, 04:47 PM
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Sorry this is so long, but its an odd situation ...We have a home that's been for sale for about a year off & on. We have had several tenants in the home during that period. It's in a safe neighborhood & there's always been a realtor lockbox. We've never had any problems. We offer to reduce the rent $400 a month in exchange for the inconvenience of showing, etc. We try to provide 24 hr. notice, but let tenants know that sometimes people need / want to see the home with less than 24-hrs notice. We typically get 1-2 showings a week, but sometimes more. Currently, its a month-to-month tenancy.
Our latest tenant seemed nice, had great credit scores, & rental / employment checked out with no problems. She understood the home was for sale, the lockbox, etc. But, when she faxed back the Rental Agreement she wrote in changes without telling us. This was the first problem. She was also worried about security & wanted keyless locks among other things like tenant responsibility. We special-ordered the locks & put some regular slide-bolts on in the meanwhile (the home already has dead bolts). When the locks came in, it 'wasn't a good time' for us to install them & she told us she'd call us later - but she never did.
Things grew worse from here. She was going to pay her security deposit of $2,000 over 3 months, but only paid the first 1/3 at move-in. She insisted we remove the lockbox, tho' it had been there all along. We refused. She got rid of her answering machine, disabled the messaging system on her cell phone, & told the realtor she didn't want to be bothered at work, effectively keeping us from giving her 24 hr notice for a showing, so we started posting on the door.
She called us & said someone had entered the home without her permission but didn't tell us she wouldn't return our realtors' calls. When we reminded her the rent was reduced in exchange for her cooperation she got better & called our realtor every other day or so to see if there'd be showings - I think she might have let the realtor call her at work.
Then she said someone had been repeatedly entered her home while she was at work & suspected it was a realtor. A glass of wine was missing & some ice cubes & the tv was turned on to a station she didn't use. Problem is, she waited 8 days to tell us, & had our realtor check for unauthorized activity on those days, & there had been none. She said things had been taken, small things, but wouldn't say what. She filed a police report. We had to argue with her to let us change the locks immediately- she wanted to change them herself & not give us - the OWNERS - keys or allow us to show it any more.
When changing her locks she said she'd heard noises in the attic & footsteps on the roof - not rodents, but humans. She did tell us she'd had a break-in in a previous state & her daughter'd had a stalker. But that person couldn't have followed them out of state. She wouldn't tell us why. She refused to pay any more of her security deposit due to her 'lack of safety' & insecurity at the home. She said she wasn't sure she wanted to stay there because she was afraid (then why argue about changing the locks & wait 8 days to tell us about this?)
The police report was inconclusive - they never found anyone & there was no forced entry & nothing proven to be stolen.
We decided it wasn't working & gave her a 40-day notice, but told her she could leave early if she let us know. She left after 10 days, for a total rental period of 2 months with us. She left the home clean, but went nuts when we told her she'd need to clean the carpets (she has a cat) & threatened to take us to court. There was the usual ranting & raving of how horrible we are (which we'd been hearing most of her tenancy) as well. She never put the trash in her name, but said she did, & there were other discrepancies as well.
My question is - should we charge her to clean the carpets or just cut our losses & consider ourselves lucky we didn't have to evict her? If she does pursue this in court, Judges tend to rule against landlords, & in this situation, especially with someone whose story changes, & regarding this 'break-in' & a single-woman's safety. I'd be interested in getting some others' opinions - thanks for your input in advance!
Last edited by denise37; 11-12-2007 at 05:02 PM ..
11-12-2007, 05:27 PM
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Call it a day and move on...
Count yourself lucky and return her deposit... you don't need more aggravation at this time...
NEVER let anyone move in without paying the full move-in amount... ever! Don't ask me how I know... and that family seemed so nice, their check bounced, they had my house and I never received 1 penny in rent or deposit was left with the legal expense of an eviction... My only excuse was I was young and took everyone at their word....
11-12-2007, 06:26 PM
Location: Mokelumne Hill, CA & El Pescadero, BCS MX.
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Give her the money and the name of a good shrink (or even a bad one).
Seriously though, Is the home still showable? I would think you would have to have the carpets cleaned after a 2 month tenancy with cats. A decent vacuuming ought to do it.
You could offer her half and tell her that YOU won't take her to court and see what happens. Good luck in any event
11-12-2007, 09:24 PM
Location: So Cal
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change the lock and be thankful she didn't cause you to lose a sale.
11-12-2007, 10:21 PM
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Thanks all of you
I'm new to this & am not sure how to reply to specific entries, but all of you have been very helpful:
#1 Responder: Point well taken. I am going to follow your advice & count my loss as lucky. I've been in this business 20 years & do give people leeway from time to time thinking its better to trust when you have good information, but.... this is a great lesson that in spite of how great someone checks out, there's still a flake quotient that can't be quantified or qualified.
#2 Responder: I wish I had your guts - I'd sure like to go to the mat on this one, but am too wary. Thanks for providing a realtor's response.
#3 Responder: Great advice - we've done that right away - thanks!
11-12-2007, 10:23 PM
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Ultrarunner
Count yourself lucky and return her deposit... you don't need more aggravation at this time...
NEVER let anyone move in without paying the full move-in amount... ever! Don't ask me how I know... and that family seemed so nice, their check bounced, they had my house and I never received 1 penny in rent or deposit was left with the legal expense of an eviction... My only excuse was I was young and took everyone at their word....
Point well taken. I am going to follow your advice & count my loss as lucky. I've been in this business 20 years & do give people leeway from time to time thinking its better to trust when you have good information, but.... this is a great lesson that in spite of how great someone checks out, there's still a flake quotient that can't be quantified or qualified.
11-12-2007, 10:27 PM
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Give her the money and the name of a good shrink (or even a bad one).
Seriously though, Is the home still showable? I would think you would have to have the carpets cleaned after a 2 month tenancy with cats. A decent vacuuming ought to do it.
You could offer her half and tell her that YOU won't take her to court and see what happens. Good luck in any event
I wish I had your guts! I'd sure like to go to the mat on this one, but am too wary. I'm going to let it go & be lucky she's out, tho' we may still end up in court. Thanks for providing a realtor's response - I think she gave realtors a really bum rapp. What realtor would want to enter a single house repeatedly, not take anything, & jeopardize a career?
11-12-2007, 10:29 PM
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change the lock and be thankful she didn't cause you to lose a sale.
Thanks for the good advice - we did change the locks again right away, & you're right - she didn't have the chance (that I know of) to ruin a potential sale. These are too hard to come by in California right now anyway!
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People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)