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Old 12-19-2013, 11:20 PM
 
Location: Kirkland, WA Formerly Clovis, CA
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What does that even mean?
Even liberals should reject Gov. Brown - Daily Democrat Online

If you read down about the 5th paragraph it lists some of the ways used to get their "balanced" budget that isnt actually balanced.
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Old 12-20-2013, 12:01 AM
 
Location: San Diego, California Republic
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Even liberals should reject Gov. Brown - Daily Democrat Online

If you read down about the 5th paragraph it lists some of the ways used to get their "balanced" budget that isnt actually balanced.
Well first of all this paragraph:
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To get to what Brown calls "balance," California's 2013-2014 budget relies on almost $6 billion in revenues from voter-approved tax increases, which are intended to fund the state's education system. But those revenues are temporary and may not be extended. The budget also ignores unfunded pension and retiree health-care liabilities. These liabilities are substantial: The California Department of Finance estimated there are more than $100 billion in unfunded state employee pension and retiree health-care obligations, while other analysts have produced estimates that are far higher.
It says a whole lot of things without giving any explanation. It says the revenues intended to fund the states education system are temporary but aren't all revenue increases to fund something usually temporary? isn't it true that eventually that money will go elsewhere? The lottery was originally intended to fund schools but most of that is said to go elsewhere now. It doesn't state if money form education might be coming from elsewhere.
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And the California budget continues to be balanced with the help of garden-variety accounting gimmicks, which have become all too common in Sacramento and other state capitals. For example, the budget is balanced by "borrowing" money from a number of special funds that are earmarked for specific uses. For one, it takes about half a billion dollars dedicated to reducing the state's carbon emissions to cover budget increases for state Medicaid and welfare benefits. Rather than changing the way Sacramento does business, Brown has perpetuated California's profligate ways
Again, it give no explanation for why this may be the case. When the GOP does this, those in your camp don't blink an eye.
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Old 12-20-2013, 12:03 AM
 
Location: San Diego, California Republic
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They need to specify what the state considers "mentally ill", as this is a broad and vague term. A person who has mild depression is not in the same league as someone who has a illness and deemed a threat to self and others. Problem is mental health services funding has seen major cuts and many institutions have unfortunately closed. This has been a nation wide issue, and while the law say one thing, things may play out otherwise.
Your GOP hero Ronald Reagan closed those institutions. He also was the one to grant amnesty to the illegals those in your camp talk so much about these days.
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Old 12-20-2013, 12:17 AM
 
Location: Kirkland, WA Formerly Clovis, CA
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Im glad you think anyone who doesnt tote the democratic party line is automatically a republican. I wasnt a fan of reagan either. So nice try.
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Old 12-20-2013, 12:33 AM
 
Location: San Diego, California Republic
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Im glad you think anyone who doesnt tote the democratic party line is automatically a republican. I wasnt a fan of reagan either. So nice try.
I didn't say YOU were a Republican I said that to point out a trend. I know you are a moderate right? Like so many other obvious right wingers who try to play that role. The only true moderates around here are CarawayDJ and Fontucky and you most certainly don't belong in the same category as them. Nice try though.
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Old 12-20-2013, 04:28 AM
 
Location: San Leandro
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Thank god the rest of the country is sane, and chose bill clinton over moonbeam back in 92
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Old 12-20-2013, 08:38 AM
 
Location: San Diego, California Republic
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Thank god the rest of the country is sane, and chose bill clinton over moonbeam back in 92
To be honest, I'm glad for that too. JB like I said was a different politician back then.
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Old 12-20-2013, 10:28 PM
 
Location: Living on the Coast in Oxnard CA
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Here is the Jerry Brown way of balancing the budget.

Lets say that you plan on reducing the amount of food you eat. You are dieting. You were going to eat an entire cake but you decide that half a cake will do and you can count the remainder as a cut.

Part of the Brown budget has us not buying cars that we were not going to purchase anyway. We saved money there by not buying those cars. To take it one step further though, instead of not buying the 100 or so state cars that we were not going to buy anyway, we cut 75 of those cars from the budget and only buy 25 of them.

With the Brown plan we can call a cut that is not a cut at all. On paper it looks like a cut but in real life it is more spending.

With the Brown plan a surplus becomes a surplus when you fail to spend money that you were not going to spend in the first place.
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Old 12-21-2013, 02:42 PM
 
Location: Boulder Creek, CA
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I didn't say YOU were a Republican I said that to point out a trend. I know you are a moderate right? Like so many other obvious right wingers who try to play that role. The only true moderates around here are CarawayDJ and Fontucky and you most certainly don't belong in the same category as them. Nice try though.
Akin to the trend of those making 300k+ insisting they are firmly ensconced in some fantasy milieu called "middle class".

That whole "moderate Republican" thing got shoved far right by William Bennett and Newt Gingrich, and has continued so ever since.
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