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Old 12-06-2007, 10:43 AM
 
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see ^^^^^^^
Then you may love your new state EscapeCalifornia. But why is it so hard for you to think someone else may not? Plus, you are judging people that moved and decided to come back. You need to do it yourself to see if it's right for you. If it all works out, then great. But if it doesn't? Then what?

In your first post you where judging people that moved and wanted to come back. Saying they must not of done enough research/homework.

I can research all day long the battles of war. But until I am actually in the throws of the battle, I will not have a real feel for it. I could study on operating someone all day long but until I actually cut someone open and perform the surgery first hand, I truly will have no clue to what it's really like.

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Old 12-06-2007, 10:48 AM
 
Location: Denver
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see ^^^^^^^
Then maybe this is not the place for you, that's cool.
California is not for everyone.

I mean if you don't like Diversity, Don't go to the Mountains or the Beaches, and don't care about the weather...then it is probably not worth it to live here. Maybe try Iowa? or Missouri? Nice places too.

But again, maybe you won't realize it until you leave, how nice a place really is?
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Old 12-06-2007, 11:02 AM
 
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I understand what you wrote. I think the comment the original poster was making is just about all of the six things above can be easily researched prior to a move. And also, in a subsequent post, a poster implied all the internet research in the world can't substitute for a visit or living there. It takes both: lots of data and "boots on the ground". (City-Data is the next best thing to boots on the ground by the way...) I researched like a maniac, almost went into analysis paralysis AND I made two trips out to Colorado. I performed simulated driving commutes during rush hour. I did everything I could do in a practical sense. I don't regret my move.

Also, somewhat related, I read posts on both the California boards and Colorado boards that sound like this (no kidding): "We are moving to Colorado at the end of next month and I'd like to know about the weather, the best schools and and the best neighborhoods. Are there lots of jobs there?"

See this for example:

http://www.city-data.com/forum/2142069-post33.html
Researching is not the same as feeling. Your research might lead you to data that you interpret. Example, the average temperature in MA in February is 24F (lows) and 39F (highs). Your mind might be able to interpret the data but when you are really "living" in these temperatures daily (not to mention the dealing with wind chills) etc. etc., you realize that something is wrong. It is naive to blame research.

Research is like theory, but nothing beats "experience" IMHO
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Old 12-06-2007, 06:11 PM
 
Location: East Bay, Ca
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You can research all you want and you can visit places but it's not the same until you move there. I used to live in the Central Valley, moved to the Bay Area and I would NEVER move back.

Now we're looking to relocate further up North. I doubt we'll look back unless prices in Cali go down and there is a greater power than the pull of In-N-Out.
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Old 12-06-2007, 06:57 PM
 
Location: Mokelumne Hill, CA & El Pescadero, BCS MX.
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I left California for nine VERY long years. I guess we end up feeling like Dorothy in the Wizard of OZ.

There's no place like home, there's no place like home. there's no...............

and Toto too!
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Old 12-06-2007, 07:50 PM
 
Location: The mountians of Northern California.
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My parents sold their home in Sacramento about 4 years ago and moved to my area. We are still in CA, but in a rural area that gets COLD. I think they have complained more about this area then everyone else I know put together. Things are different, slower pace, things done the good ol' boy way, fewer options for shopping, healthcare, restaurants, few jobs (unless you work at the prisons) etc etc etc. She can see the positives, very safe, clean, not crowded, community oriented, endless outdoor recreation, etc. But the negatives are too much. My mom has made comments for the past 2 years that she wants to move back to Sac. I think she feels it was a mistake to move here. Like I tell other people, living here is what you make of it and its not for everyone.
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Old 12-08-2007, 10:25 AM
 
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Just as others have said, every thing looks good on paper "so to speak", but when you actually get to living in that environment it is different. Some may feel that they have escape the conditions of traffic, taxes, poor performing schools, high food costs. Only to find out that the same thing is going on the place that they relocated to.

Example when I moved from GA to IN, I took several trips out there, research the area well. Now keep in mind everything in Indiana was supposed to be cheap, but the gas, food, utility costs were just as high as anywhere else, the only difference was the price of housing, and the water was the worst, apparently there is a lot of lime in the water, therefore you use more lotion than normal. I was out of there in a year, lucky I wasn't looking to buy a house. I would probably still be there.
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Old 12-08-2007, 02:04 PM
 
Location: Avondale, AZ
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I mean if you don't like Diversity, Don't go to the Mountains or the Beaches, and don't care about the weather...then it is probably not worth it to live here. Maybe try Iowa? or Missouri? Nice places too
I like diversity and go to the mountains and care about weather too. Yet I am satisfied in Colorado. How can that possibly be? I am not certain about your comment, but I take it as if you don't live in CA and like it, you are somehow lacking. Not trying to be rude, but this superior attitude is what so many residents of other states resent. I can relate because I was a long-time CA resident and have no plans or desire to move back even though we could. Whenever we go for a visit, it just validates our reasons to relocate.
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Old 12-08-2007, 06:14 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas, NV
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I have seen this over and over.

I see a lot of folks that start to complain about California and it really blinds them of how good it really is to live in California.

Most complain about:
1) Cost of living
2) Traffic
3) Air Quality
4) Illegals
5) Materialism

they get so frustrated with above, it drives them to move.

Then they find that the new place fixes the CA complaints, BUT there is whole other set of even worse things to complain about there like:

1) Boredom
2) Bad Weather
3) No Jobs
4) No diversity
5) No beaches and mountains
6) No In and Out


so they move back.


I moved out of CA 5 years ago and didn't look back. Since I only moved 60 miles from the State line, Las Vegas is really a suburb of LA.

1) Boredom: No, Las Vegas will never leave you bored
2) Bad Weather. 3 months out of the year I can give you that, but 9 months its awesome!
3) No Jobs: Plenty of jobs here, it just depends if your a blue collar guy like me or not.
4) Diversity: Clark County is very diverse, maybe not as much as CA but its pretty close.
5) No Beaches or Mountains: I have to admit there are plenty of swimming pools here in Las Vegas. This is one of the reasons i moved....to expand my line of work. 4 hours to LA-SD beaches. Plenty of Mountains! 1 hour for Skiing on Mt. Charleston or 3 hours to Utah (very good ski areas)
6) In N' Out: We have plenty of them here!
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Old 12-09-2007, 08:18 AM
 
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We left the Central Valley of California back in 1991 and have never longed to move back. Yes, we grew up there. I did exactly four weeks of research , one week of that was driving up to see the town and get a feel for things.

Can't say that I would ever move back to the Central Valley, in fact I loathe visiting there, but that's just me. It works for some folks or there wouldn't be as many there. IMO, four seasons is better than the ocean, clean air superceeds a fast food joint. Both my husband and I have great jobs, love the weather and are never bored

I truly think it's a matter of to each his/her own
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