Can California Requisition Water From the Columbia River via Congress? (San Diego: 2015, camp)

[Wilson502]

Originally Posted by Tulemutt

No. The problem is NOT NIMBYism. The problem is what you said in your first sentence.

Stupid is as stupid does.

NIMBYism sure contributes..... by making it as difficult as possible to construct desal plants where needed.

[SportyandMisty]

Originally Posted by Unsettomati

... No, the supply is not the issue. Using ones water properly is the issue. That means not pouring massive amounts of it into having nice pretty bright green lawn in desert and semi-desert areas (or, frankly, anywhere - I live where natural water is abundant and its beyond me, this obsession people have with their absurd lawns) is part of the issue. ...

So... the real problem is that most people don't think like you. Anyone who thinks differently from you has flawed mental processes or deficient skills in deductive logic.

So, if you were the Supreme Ruler, would you:

1. Send people to re-education camps to give them proper skills in deductive logic? or,
2. Send the masses to mental hospitals because they have organically deficient and unrepairable mental thought processes?

[oldtrader]

To get the right away bought for an aqueduct system, and the power to drive the system, and to build it, would take a whole generation of time to take the Columbia water to southern California if it could be done that fast.

California does not have that much time to solve the water problem.

There are currently 15,000 desalination plants in the world and they work. Anyplace with a seashore such as California can use the systems. California would be an ideal place to put them to work, and they could be putting out water in a year or two not the many decades it would take to bring it from the columbia.

How many desalination plants are there? - Curiosity

https://www.twdb.state.tx.us/innovat.../desal/faq.asp

Desalination Worldwide « Huntington Beach Freshwater

The method that does not take tremendous electrical capacity is reverse osmosis, which cleans it by membranes that filter out the salt, and other things they need to remove.

Good examples of what can be done are right there in California.

California drought: Solar desalination plant shows promise - SFGate

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/01/bu...lity.html?_r=0

But every time they try to put in desalination plants in California the environmental nutcases try to stop them.

https://www.hcn.org/blogs/goat/calif...t-irks-enviros

[Bunjee]

One caveat to the linked solar desalination process above: passive solar does not generate enough energy to desalinate seawater. So in the Central Valley it's really a water reclamation program, and those processes already exist in some parts of the state.

[thrillobyte]

Originally Posted by oldtrader

To get the right away bought for an aqueduct system, and the power to drive the system, and to build it, would take a whole generation of time to take the Columbia water to southern California if it could be done that fast.

California does not have that much time to solve the water problem.

There are currently 15,000 desalination plants in the world and they work. Anyplace with a seashore such as California can use the systems. California would be an ideal place to put them to work, and they could be putting out water in a year or two not the many decades it would take to bring it from the columbia.

How many desalination plants are there? - Curiosity

https://www.twdb.state.tx.us/innovat.../desal/faq.asp

Desalination Worldwide « Huntington Beach Freshwater

The method that does not take tremendous electrical capacity is reverse osmosis, which cleans it by membranes that filter out the salt, and other things they need to remove.

Good examples of what can be done are right there in California.

California drought: Solar desalination plant shows promise - SFGate

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/01/bu...lity.html?_r=0

But every time they try to put in desalination plants in California the environmental nutcases try to stop them.

https://www.hcn.org/blogs/goat/calif...t-irks-enviros

Well, I'll give you an example; I have a one-gallon water distiller. It's going right now. I take a gallon of hot tap water, put it into the thing and in 5 hours have that same gallon of water back minus all the impurities. A gallon fresh from the store costs $1 when it's on sale 10/$10. Supposedly

The distillers use about 3.2 kilowatts per gallon. Based on the national average electrical cost of 8.48 cents per kilowatt hour, this equates to approximately 28 cents per gallon.

The distiller cost me $150. I've had it for 5 years so I figure at a gallon a day, I've gotten my money back 4.5 years ago.

If this principle can work with reverse osmosis/distilling/desal or whatever technology is comparable cost-wise and the environmentalists are the only thing holding it up, then they should imprisoned/gagged or whatever it takes to hush them up so rational people can move ahead with this.

[Wilson502]

Originally Posted by thrillobyte

If this principle can work with reverse osmosis/distilling/desal or whatever technology is comparable cost-wise and the environmentalists are the only thing holding it up, then they should imprisoned/gagged or whatever it takes to hush them up so rational people can move ahead with this.

At least now your recognizing situation with these group of people. Yes NIMBY Environmentalists are holding these projects up, just google the proposed plant in Huntington Beach thats been held up for years because of these whackos. Everytime desal plants are proposed they come out in full force an obstruct. Im amazed the Carlsbad plant is even getting built, and it took 10 years to get the permitting done! Hell Nuclear power plants take that long and are a much bigger project.

[thrillobyte]

Originally Posted by Wilson502

At least now your recognizing situation with these group of people. Yes NIMBY Environmentalists are holding these projects up, just google the proposed plant in Huntington Beach thats been held up for years because of these whackos. Everytime desal plants are proposed they come out in full force an obstruct. Im amazed the Carlsbad plant is even getting built, and it took 10 years to get the permitting done! Hell Nuclear power plants take that long and are a much bigger project.

Frankly, it sounds like a conspiracy dreamed up the wealthiest 1% to drive 35 million of the rest of us out of here so they can have the whole damn state to themselves. Judging by the amount of money they have between them--maybe 10 trillion or some such obscene figure--they just might pull it off.

[Wilson502]

Originally Posted by thrillobyte

Frankly, it sounds like a conspiracy dreamed up the wealthiest 1% to drive 35 million of the rest of us out of here so they can have the whole damn state to themselves. Judging by the amount of money they have between them--maybe 10 trillion or some such obscene figure--they just might pull it off.

Why do u think of all people, a SV businessman is proposing splitting CA into 6 states the way its proposed? Its the same mentality.

[jerrygar]

Now that we are in a mega drought, yet again, I think it is time to re-think this concept.

Perhaps a combination of several factors is the correct decision. However, we have to really keep in mind where the water goes. Huge amount for irrigation. The amount that humans actually drink is quite low and recycling will only save a small fraction.

Given that the columbia spews on average 260k f^3/s, or 2 mil gallons per second, it would take approximately 65 days to recover the entire lost 11 trillion gallons california has lost. CA farmers will definitely pay. There will be new farmers in areas historically too dry to farm, and they will be everywhere. Arizona as well. There will also be plenty of water to sell to Mexico. Northwesterners can get a monthly water check, like Alaskans get from the oil companies.

If that doesn't work, then its time to build a giant straw and drink Oregon's milkshake. If I were governor of CA, I'd annex a land route through Oregon to the mouth of the Columbia and do exactly this (of course under the guise that we have to send troops to protect California's who are being repressed by angry Oregonians). Perhaps we can get the state of Jefferson volunteers to join in this historic by promising to help them create their own representation.

[TheDragonslayer]

Originally Posted by jerrygar

Now that we are in a mega drought, yet again, I think it is time to re-think this concept.

Perhaps a combination of several factors is the correct decision. However, we have to really keep in mind where the water goes. Huge amount for irrigation. The amount that humans actually drink is quite low and recycling will only save a small fraction.

Given that the columbia spews on average 260k f^3/s, or 2 mil gallons per second, it would take approximately 65 days to recover the entire lost 11 trillion gallons california has lost. CA farmers will definitely pay. There will be new farmers in areas historically too dry to farm, and they will be everywhere. Arizona as well. There will also be plenty of water to sell to Mexico. Northwesterners can get a monthly water check, like Alaskans get from the oil companies.

If that doesn't work, then its time to build a giant straw and drink Oregon's milkshake. If I were governor of CA, I'd annex a land route through Oregon to the mouth of the Columbia and do exactly this (of course under the guise that we have to send troops to protect California's who are being repressed by angry Oregonians). Perhaps we can get the state of Jefferson volunteers to join in this historic by promising to help them create their own representation.

The state of Jefferson is already being bled dry from the south. Almost all of our reservoirs are being pumped southward for irrigation or drinking. Why would we want to help? Desalination would cost less and create jobs.