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Old 04-22-2009, 07:11 AM
 
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The "study" says that girls and minorities (I thought I was one) are the victims of "self-fullfilling negative stereotypes". That sounds like education-speak bunk to me. California schools don't perform because the teacher's union has a monopoly on education in California. The monopoly was given to them by Democrat legislators in return for many millions in campaign contributions. Look at other states where they have a healthy charter school system to compete with the public system and you'll see kids actually learning. Better yet give all states a voucher system to let private schools compete with public schools and the U.S. would have the best educated kids on earth. Instead we rate at the bottom of industrialized countries. And our educators spend their time discussing 'self-fullfilling negative stereotypes'.
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Old 04-22-2009, 08:35 AM
 
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So many factors come into play. A few overlooked are environmental toxins, teratogens, and other nasty stuff that fetuses and children are exposed to in the CA and the US that causes overall cognitive deterioration. Also, kids in the US eat a lot of junk foods -- along foods with a lot of additives and are illegal in many countries -- and this also leads cognitive deficits. If intelligence is 50% heritable, then the other part of the equation is the toxic environment that kids are reared in.

Another part of the equation is early education, and it starts when the child is born. Children should be encouraged to learn different languages, play instruments, and perform other activities that really stimulate the brain. How many children in the US do you know can speak multiple languages fluently, play instruments, or excel at some other brain intensive activity? If children brains aren't thoroughly stimulated at an early age, many of their brain's pathways are forever pruned.

Of course there are many other reason for under performing schools, but these are a few possible reasons of the under performing schools.
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Old 04-22-2009, 09:18 AM
 
Location: So Ca
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The "study" (regarding CA High School Exit Exam) says that girls and minorities...are the victims of "self-fullfilling negative stereotypes". That sounds like education-speak bunk to me.
Agreed. And what do we do then, go back to pre-exit exam days when companies here couldn't hire CA high school graduates because they hadn't learned basic skills? Or colleges were forced to offer remedial English and math since incoming freshmen could not pass a proficiency test? We have to keep some standards. No doubt, however, that CA is not the same state, proficiency-wise, that it was 30 years ago in public education.
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Old 04-23-2009, 10:38 AM
 
Location: Baywood Park
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They aren't here.
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Old 04-23-2009, 12:09 PM
 
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Wow, I've read this entire thread. The same old stuff that people complained about when I was growing up in CA are the same complaints I am hearing now. Sure there is enough blame to go around but IMHO parents are not the biggest problem on the scale. I truly believe that most parents want the best for their kids (from the point of conception) and are trying to get them into the "best" schools. I see plenty of parents attending school events, volunterring when they can, paying for the many ridiculous costs associated with sending kids to school, paying the bills, providing a roof over their heads, and putting food on the table. How many parents can afford to not have both parents working in this state? Not too many and that is part of the problem.

When kids are struggeling in school how do you think we feel? We aren't celebrating. Parents must feel horrible if their kids who they thought were so bright are not getting a subject. Why doesn't the state and or tax payer money go towards having tutors for the kids like they do in some East Coast states? Most of the East Coast states are producing some of the most educated kids and I believe that is because their states support teachers and teachers want to do their job. They also have immigrants and miniorites, what is CA's problem? CA can be a bit too relaxed and is a state that I belive is shrinking in family size so the importance of schools and education is not a huge concern.

My oldest attends a top rated school and there is plenty of parental involvement and the teachers should be happy with their compensation because they get paid very well. But from what I see, teachers are not doing their job. Some where along the line some of them just gave up and I'm not sure why some of them have become teachers to begin with. Some teachers just don't want to teach certain kids too. Some teachers are just really messed up and make plenty of excuses up for themselves. When a child can't read towards the end of the year and the teacher then lets the parents know of the situation, all along the parents are asking the right questions, it is the teachers fault. Kids that are not motivated to learn and those that complain about not wanting to go to school at such a young age where they should want to be in school, is the teachers fault. Some teachers teach more to the kids that are far more advanced and give little attention to the slower learners they just feel IMHO that they are some one elses problem.

As a parent I am very concerned about clicks and bulleying at school which effects a child's confidence and how they develop the willingness to do well at school. Teachers and parents should be paying close attention to the relationships kids are having at school. Who the children are associating with has to be a two part concern. If kids are not forming relationships (don't have any friends) parents and teachers should work on developing their social skills (we can't be with the 24/7 and the time we leave our kids with teachers we are in trusting them to do their parts as educators). Kids have a tendency to act out and get into fights and gravitate to bad influenctial groups when they aren't building good relationships with their peers. Often times this is ignored by educators. Are guidance counselors still around? I don't ever remember mine doing anything for me nor do I ever remember meeting one.

Also, I remember when people made fun of the smart kids branding them with names such as geeks and neirds. This should not happen, all kids should want to excel. So again, I am just wondering what is really happening at school? This goes beyond the parents. In some schools sports and extracurricular activities are more recieved and prioritized than education itself.

No teachers aren't that big on teaching immigrants and could care less about what happens to them. This is a big problem. How can you expect much from them when you don't in the first place? And, if they are constantly being told that they are lacking and or have some sort of deficiency when will they feel eager to do well? They will form their groups and most likely drop out of school.

I wish parents were given more rights to make the changes that truly need to happen with our state ran schools. We have little rights and say so as parents. Most parents are not born educators that is why we send them to school.

Now a days these kids need workforce development and mainly at the High School level. IMHO HS is way too long and the kids are bored mid way through High School. Are kids still excited about graduating?
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Old 04-23-2009, 02:13 PM
 
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When I was a kid, at least until early high school, corporal punishment was in place in many districts in this state. It was completely gone by the 80s. Just sayin' ...
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Old 04-23-2009, 05:13 PM
 
Location: Baywood Park
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When I was a kid, at least until early high school, corporal punishment was in place in many districts in this state. It was completely gone by the 80s. Just sayin' ...
Yeah, I remember getting my a$$ spanked in 2nd grade for something I didn't even do. I really didn't realize what was going on until the principal turned me around and hit me with a ping-pong paddle. Any teacher or administrator hit my kid? I'd be personally giving them a one way ticket to the hospital. No one touches my kids. Corporal punishment doesn't belong in an educational environment.
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Old 09-02-2011, 07:44 PM
 
Location: all casino sleep in cars gamble all day
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Default liars con artist and BS'ers and thiefs U giv money back2school elementary only losers

Can't belive you lie to face to anom that you don't want to gives the kids the lottery money back2school k1-8 grade is where the tru American learns to be wise but you lie and steal lottery money from kids sham on you
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Old 09-02-2011, 08:32 PM
 
Location: Earth
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When I was a kid, at least until early high school, corporal punishment was in place in many districts in this state. It was completely gone by the 80s. Just sayin' ...
California abolished corporal punishment in 1986, relatively later than one would expect ; it was already illegal in the Northeastern states (except for CT, MD, and PA)
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Old 09-03-2011, 04:30 PM
 
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I think of course parents need to step up, but I also think the problem comes down to overpopulation of the schools. My son had 37 kids in his class last year, 35 now. A lot of distractions with that many kids. But what can be done? The pubic school are not willing to $$ for another teacher, they just don't have the funding for that.
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