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Old 07-02-2014, 03:17 PM
 
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What some are ignoring when they say that California leads in manufacturing with 11% of the U.S. manufacturing is it is only because of the sheer number of people living in California.

When one looks at the percent of total manufacturing that is done in the state, they ignore the fact, that California is way behind the leaders on the amount of manufacturing done in the state when the total population for the state is taken into consideration. In other words, the Gross State Production (state version of the GDP, California is way behind what is happening in other states.

The state to the north of California does 150% more than California does.

California does not even hit the top 20 list for manufacturing job creation.

Top US states for new manufacturing jobs.

California is nowhere near the top for job creation last year.

Early returns: Top ten states for year-over-year job growth | Conservative Intelligence Briefing

Even tech jobs creation is hotter other places. Lets look at the Silicon Valley and San Jose.

However that pales next to the decline in high-tech manufacturing, where the area has lost an estimated 80,000 jobs. This may be one key reason why STEM employment has dropped 12% in the San Jose area over the past 12 years.

The Surprising Cities Creating The Most Tech Jobs - Forbes

California is no where near the top for job creation last year.

Early returns: Top ten states for year-over-year job growth | Conservative Intelligence Briefing

California job growth, is mostly part time and low paid. And about half the decline in unemployed, was due to people simply dropping out of the workforce in other words giving up any hope of getting job.

Reeling from California’s lack of jobs

Wake up Californians and get people in office that will help the situation, not find new ways to drive businesses out of state. A new group to start California companies opening new facilities in California not going to other business friendly states. and move from the most business unfriendly state to a friendly state which can stem the job exodus and bring more good middle class jobs to California.
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Old 07-02-2014, 03:31 PM
 
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Yes California is too sexy for all Jobs and People to leave it , there will be folks lined up around the corner trying to get in " therein is the reason that California is a 40,000,000 State " how many people does your State have (?).....
California is not yet a 40,000,000 person state. Buy it is soon expected to be, as today's biggest ethnic group Hispanics are expected to reach 50% plus of the population. At the rate of illegal residents moving into the state, encouraged by the Brown administration, it will be sooner than they now predict.

Here is a good graphic, that shows where people are going to, and from California.

Note that more people are leaving California for other states, than are coming to the state. Only reason that California is increasing in population is immigrants from other countries, often illegal.
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Old 07-02-2014, 03:37 PM
 
Location: O.C.
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What some are ignoring when they say that California leads in manufacturing with 11% of the U.S. manufacturing is it is only because of the sheer number of people living in California.

When one looks at the percent of total manufacturing that is done in the state, they ignore the fact, that California is way behind the leaders on the amount of manufacturing done in the state when the total population for the state is taken into consideration. In other words, the Gross State Production (state version of the GDP, California is way behind what is happening in other states.

The state to the north of California does 150% more than California does.

California does not even hit the top 20 list for manufacturing job creation.

Top US states for new manufacturing jobs.

California is nowhere near the top for job creation last year.

Early returns: Top ten states for year-over-year job growth | Conservative Intelligence Briefing

Even tech jobs creation is hotter other places. Lets look at the Silicon Valley and San Jose.

However that pales next to the decline in high-tech manufacturing, where the area has lost an estimated 80,000 jobs. This may be one key reason why STEM employment has dropped 12% in the San Jose area over the past 12 years.

The Surprising Cities Creating The Most Tech Jobs - Forbes

California is no where near the top for job creation last year.

Early returns: Top ten states for year-over-year job growth | Conservative Intelligence Briefing

California job growth, is mostly part time and low paid. And about half the decline in unemployed, was due to people simply dropping out of the workforce in other words giving up any hope of getting job.

Reeling from California’s lack of jobs

Wake up Californians and get people in office that will help the situation, not find new ways to drive businesses out of state. A new group to start California companies opening new facilities in California not going to other business friendly states. and move from the most business unfriendly state to a friendly state which can stem the job exodus and bring more good middle class jobs to California.
Great post but Im starting to come around like some others here and think people moving out of SoCal isn't such a bad thing. Its terribly crowded here in OC. You used to be able to get around rather easily and quickly during the week like 11-3 not too long ago. Now you can forget it. Just a trip from Anaheim to Costa Mesa (South Coast Plaza) to do some shopping and back turns into a 3-4 hour event thanks to people EVERYWHERE! The actual shopping took about 30 minutes and I only live a mile from the 5 freeway! You can forget the 5-405-55 freeways from 3-7pm unless you have a whole evening to spend in traffic. Its just beyond ridiculous. I own my own business and thankfully its global and not effected by the ridiculous rules and regulations requited to do business here thanks to the Democrats legislating everything to hell. Would love to see a change.
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Old 07-02-2014, 04:08 PM
 
Location: San Francisco
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You can forget the 5-405-55 freeways from 3-7pm unless you have a whole evening to spend in traffic.
But I thought no one in California had a job anymore. So how come there are so many people on the freeways during rush hour?

What sort of "change" would simultaneously result in (a) fewer people on the roads during rush hour and (b) a better business climate?

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Old 07-02-2014, 08:11 PM
 
Location: Silicon Valley
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I was arguing with one about "affordable housing". I feel like they hurt downtowns by getting government to build "affordable housing" because they eventually become home to dysfunctional urban males. Would rather start building projects out in the suburbs and just run a bus back and forth for access.

Cities with dead downtowns, who want to revitalize their downtowns, welcome the govt money to revamp old downtown buildings that are otherwise decrepit or vacant. This actually does work fairly well.

Of course, there are plenty of dysfunctional people who qualify for subsidized housing. Can I tell you stories! I live in such a revitalized old hotel in downtown Redding. Plenty of nutcases qualify to live here.

But, I will say, that the management will get rid of people if they can't behave.

There are also plenty of subsidized projects outside of downtown areas. But, the cities really push for getting downtown areas funded for these projects, as it's the easiest way to get money to fix up the old buildings. And there's always a market for subsidized housing. But, when any entity accepts funding from the city, county, state AND the feds (such is the case for the buiding I live in), they can't just let it turn into some meth farm. They have to meet tons of requirements to keep the money flowing. Maintenance is great, security is good.

But sure, lots of people on SSDI and SSI who are mentally ill, so sure, they can be dysfunctional. But, they have to function well enough to abide by the rules, or they get kicked out.

And having these folk downtown does help the downtown businesses. Some are customers, but they also help just by keeping an old hotel kept up and occupied. Then, other businesses will move in and working folk will come downtown to restaurants and jewelers, and hair dressers, etc.

I know, because I live in such a downtown area. This used to be wino row. Now, it's pretty upscale. Enough, at least that people do come down here to go to concerts at the remodeled old theater, and eat at the steakhouse across the street, and go to the wine bar on the corner.

Sure, there are homeless wandering about, too, like any downtown. But, it's a heck of a lot better than a bunch of boarded up old vacant buildings with a bunch of homeless squatters in them.

So, it's my opinion, that this is actually a really good use of govt funds - which the state will only get involved in, if other funding sources, etc., are in place already. The city has to make it attractive to the state to get the tax property funding. It's not an easy way to get money, or a done deal by any means.

Oh, and believe me, there are plenty of dysfunctional females here, too.
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Old 07-02-2014, 09:42 PM
 
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I'm not sure why someone living in the middle of nowhere Montana thinks they have any idea what is going on in California. There must be nothing going on in fly over country....
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Old 07-03-2014, 01:05 AM
 
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Exactly. Our state’s fiscal and economic house changed for the better shortly after the CA GOP was completely neutered. Until recently, they had one in the sack, which was just enough to leave a horrible mess. Now, they’re furiously sniffing around, looking for what’s forever missing. While adorable, they still cry ALL DAY long, to the point nobody even listens anymore.
It isn't just the GOP pointing out problems. Liberal pundits like Joel Kotkin have been pointing out for a while that California's policies are hostile to the middle class and/or those who aspire to be middle class (instead of dependent on government handouts):

As late as the 80s, California was democratic in a fundamental sense, a place for outsiders and, increasingly, immigrants—roughly 60 percent of the population was considered middle class. Now, instead of a land of opportunity, California has become increasingly feudal. According to recent census estimates, the state suffers some of the highest levels of inequality in the country. By some estimates, the state’s level of inequality compares with that of such global models as the Dominican Republic, Gambia, and the Republic of the Congo.


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Old 07-03-2014, 01:19 AM
 
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When OP says good jobs, is he referring to minimum wage, low wage jobs that we Californians donate to other states ? You can have them, till they move those out to Mexico
That sounds great to people who earn well above minimum wage. But those jobs are the first step on the employment ladder for a lot of people. Without them, it's harder for people to get onto that ladder in the first place.
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Old 07-03-2014, 01:24 AM
 
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Since when do conservatives care about how many people are living in poverty?
Yes, that's the line repeated 1,000,000 times over in mainstream media and the academic world in both subtle & not-so-subtle ways. Doesn't mean it's true.
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Old 07-03-2014, 06:03 AM
 
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CA Liberals,
Can you please answer this question:
If CA is doing so well, why in just a few decades of democratic state legislative control and massive influx of illegals did it go from being in the top in education to the bottom three - right there with Mississipi?

If this is not the result of democratic policies that pander to teacher unions and the Hispanic vote, then please tell us what policies created such a drastic drop in quality of state education.
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