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Old 07-19-2014, 12:10 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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Federal judge rules California death penalty is unconstitutional - LA Times

Harrier agrees with this decision.

The death penalty is barbaric, unnecessary, and too prone to error.

Harrier does not want to be a part of a state that sends innocent people to their death.

What is your opinion on the ruling, given that we had the opportunity to scrap our death penalty 1 1/2 years ago and didn't do so?
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Old 07-19-2014, 12:20 AM
 
Location: San Jose
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Simple solution: execute faster.
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Old 07-19-2014, 12:26 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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Simple solution: execute faster.
How is that a "solution"?
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Old 07-19-2014, 12:30 AM
 
Location: O.C.
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Not surprising at all in a state filled with and run by pathetic liberal Democrats. Look at the 18 other states who have abolished it, mostly Democratic. No surprise.
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Old 07-19-2014, 12:49 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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Not surprising at all in a state filled with and run by pathetic liberal Democrats. Look at the 18 other states who have abolished it, mostly Democratic. No surprise.
The judge was appointed by President George W. Bush, and the citizens of California had a ballot measure before them in 2012 to abolish the death penalty, which they rejected.

Harrier is a Republican and voted for the initiative to end the death penalty.

There are hints that Democrat Attorney General Kamala Harris may appeal the decision.

It seems that Democrats in this state want the death penalty.
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Old 07-19-2014, 02:11 AM
 
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What is the actual statistic on "error"? How many innocents have actually been executed? <1%? 5%? 10%? I'm guessing the number is miniscule, but these cases always make headline news for reasons that have nothing to do with justice for innocents. The biggest issue for me is the 20 yrs of endless court appeals, which only serve to make the lawyers/judges rich. It's just so inefficient. They should be given 1 appeal and executed within 1 yr of conviction. I agree that it's pointless and extremely costly to sit on death row for 20-30 years...what's the point? The death penalty is a good thing, necessary for many criminals, but the current system is a joke.
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Old 07-19-2014, 04:57 AM
 
Location: Montana
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Typical bored and crazed CA liberal attitude. Why don't we take all the state's killers and buy them paid for homes in Malibu on the beach?
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Old 07-19-2014, 08:04 AM
 
Location: On the water.
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Ignorance - and certainty of its righteousness - certainly has killed innocents. Accepting that as a reasonable cost of retribution is a sad commentary on humanity's illusion of itself as intelligent.

Our justice systems are not based on justice. They are based on achieving finality and closure of issues and controversies and assignment of blame.

Our justice systems thrive on Sophistry - rather than logic. Opinion is allowed to overrule fact at any time. The science of Logic is not a required subject in law school. Nor is it a required tool of pretrial investigations. Nor a tool at trial. Clever Sophist rhetoric is admired as a technique to sway and leverage opinion. Careers in law enforcement and law, as well as attorney egos and bank accounts, thrive on winning convictions - rather than on arriving at truths.

In your righteous hatred of heinous crimes, many of you base your support of the death penalty. That is understandable. But the foundations of our system, as described above, are not justice. Unless the foundations are changed, there is no basis for killing the accused without absolute proofs of guilt. Being tried by "a jury of one's peers" - which peers have no expertise in logic and investigations, and no direct access to evidence - which peers are most often completely incompetent analysts of anything - is a criminal system.

The saying:
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"It is better that ten guilty persons escape than that one innocent suffer",
is attributed to English jurist William Blackstone in his seminal work, Commentaries on the Laws of England, published in the 1760s. (Blackstone's formulation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia). It is the tip of an iceberg of great thought on this issue that has origins as far back as Genesis in the Bible.
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Abraham drew near, and said, "Will you consume the righteous with the wicked? What if there are fifty righteous within the city? Will you consume and not spare the place for the fifty righteous who are in it?[3] ... What if ten are found there?" He [The Lord] said, "I will not destroy it for the ten's sake."[4]

This was about the destruction of Sodom which, it must be noted, God did destroy.
This concept has been developed since by many great thinkers including Maimonides, Blackstone, Benjamin Franklin, and many many more.

And yet, some of you shallow thinkers righteously shout this decision as a mere political folly - and shout to support the killing of the accused regardless of true justice. Sad.
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Old 07-19-2014, 08:12 AM
 
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The death penalty is constitutional. California's idiodic liberal run governmental application of the death penalty is what is unconstitutional.
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Old 07-19-2014, 09:07 AM
 
Location: On the water.
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Constitutionality does not make the system that condemns persons to death correct in its structure and methodologies. Anywhere. Regardless of political ideologies.
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