11-03-2014, 09:24 AM
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Interesting thread responses. And yet another poster questioning if Officer Friendly is an actual LEO, or maybe just a "buff".
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a buff is someone whose life revolves around police work. They will always talk about the job to anyone, whether they are cops or not, they ALWAYS wear something that says police, always think about police work, they talk in police codes and use cop terms in everyday normal conversations, and are very gung ho and eager. They watch cop shows, and read cop books. They own crown vics, and usually have police stickers all over the car.
Regardless, it begs wonder whether such extreme views of the general public's failure and immoralities are safe riding around wearing the power of badge and gun.
It's true that the number of character failures cited by the OP article and others since are small in comparison to the numbers of police on the streets. But the claims being made by nmo of who is worthy of a badge and the trust of the public are appalling. Some people make a mistake or are caught up in events beyond their control and proceed to get worse in life. Others learn from their experiences and are thus in greater position to make wiser judgements than others who do not have benefit of painful lessons.
Here we have read the admonishments and extremist opinions of a purported officer who condemns everyone who so much as raises a glass of wine to their lips (yes, the poster has literally stated and restated this in the past as a moral failure of "weak" escapists who can't be trusted). And we are urged to believe that this total lack of worldliness and understanding should be the benchmark for the public's trust.
Which, to me, is somewhat similar to the suggestion that Catholic priests make good marriage counselors.
I'm going with the hope that today's increased vetting would vet out such psychological instability, and the officer is merely a "buff" who couldn't make the academy.
11-03-2014, 06:58 PM
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Tule.. I blow you off because you are a self admitted drug user...but I must really occupy your mind...because you follow me like a puppy dog...every second I occupy your mind are seconds of your wasted life...thanks for the free rent.
You couldn't do my job or live in my world for one second...although you like to tell us all how you could... dream on... internet hero and authorities abound ..I'm impressed...not
I don't like scumbags...dopers..and crooks. and I really detest coppers who are crooks ... and I say do them after they have had a fair trial and their say in court... coppers all feel this way... but you don't have a clue... now if a copper makes a stupid mistake then they should take their discipline like a man and move on
And citizens should support the process ... because what happens to coppers is more severe than what happens to citizens...
11-03-2014, 07:27 PM
Location: zooland 1
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Ongoing background investigations you are kidding, right? If you really ever worked in LE in California you certainly should be aware of govt code 3300 The Peace Officers Bill of Rights. You can't investigate ANYTHING regarding a peace officer after they are hired read # 14-16. Peace Officer's Bill of Rights [/color]
oh..so in your little alternate reality even people with bad credit shouldn't be allowed "in the mix" I guess that would have included me because at one time my wonderful CHP husband walked out on me and two kids, quit his job and left the state with his girlfriend who he was banging on duty I was lucky and quickly landed a a job in LE and within a few years was able to pay off all the debt he had racked up while he was out with his new squeeze using joint credit cards. But if you had been the arbiter of who is 'worthy' I guess I would have spent my life in a job I deserved, maybe like cleaning toilets?
yes, but I am really starting to doubt whether you are CA Codes (pen:830-832.17)
If you work narco on my department you have to sign a financial disclosure... why... you know why... patrol doesn't have to but I have no problems doing so... also in the units I worked I had to undergo extensive additional scrutiny by consent ... and I had no problem with that either... nor do I with random **** tests...even when the computer selects me every month
Why
Coppers who make bad financial decisions put themselves in potential ethical risks...I've seen it all too often..and so have you... living in motor homes in station parking lots because of exs...alimony.. girlfriends.. and alcohol..and hopefully nothing more..
The pobor came about because of the abuses of admin and zealous da's... it doesn't mean we as a group can't self police.You want to put your house payment on the line with someone whose shakey...have at it.. but as a chippie unless you are training or work ems you rarely get a partner...me... I want my partners squeaky clean... and who feel as I do.. and I'm blessed by department that fosters this
If you want to chest puff... do it in a pm...I'm not going to argue with another copper..if you are one... in open forum ...there's enough dirtbags here... but your too oft story is sad... and I wish it was less frequent... good backgrounds might reduce some of this stupidity... on going backgrounds might keep idiots from straying...again pobor is a double edged sword. On my department infidity occurs just like everywhere... however it is actionable... I doubt Chp would turn a blind eye either... why...every stinking reason you can think of why...
I'm not afraid of scrutiny... I wore a body cam long before they became policy ... I have no problems with vsa's or polygrapghs ... I volunteer for them when some scrote complains...most. coppers are scared of them.. or take them as an affront... not me..I do my job with nothing to hide.. if I do something wrong or out of policy then its on me..as it is all of us
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11-03-2014, 11:49 PM
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If you want to chest puff... do it in a pm...I'm not going to argue with another copper..if you are one... in open forum ...there's enough dirtbags here... but your too oft story is sad... and I wish it was less frequent... good backgrounds might reduce some of this stupidity... on going backgrounds might keep idiots from straying...again pobor is a double edged sword. On my department infidity occurs just like everywhere... however it is actionable... I doubt Chp would turn a blind eye either... why...every stinking reason you can think of why...
I have no idea what that rant was about..time for me to move on, have a good day.
11-04-2014, 09:26 AM
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Tule.. I blow you off because you are a self admitted drug user...but I must really occupy your mind...because you follow me like a puppy dog...every second I occupy your mind are seconds of your wasted life...thanks for the free rent.
You couldn't do my job or live in my world for one second...although you like to tell us all how you could... dream on... internet hero and authorities abound ..I'm impressed...not
I don't like scumbags...dopers..and crooks. and I really detest coppers who are crooks ... and I say do them after they have had a fair trial and their say in court... coppers all feel this way... but you don't have a clue... now if a copper makes a stupid mistake then they should take their discipline like a man and move on
And citizens should support the process ... because what happens to coppers is more severe than what happens to citizens...
1) there is a name for the condition some people suffer where they believe they are being followed
2) most posting here are self-admitted users of either alcohol or pot or both - you are in the minority
3) your inability to think clearly is evident in your inability to use metaphors that make your point, or make any sense at all for that matter. For instance, puppies follow other dogs or people in admiration and desire for acceptance. Do I exhibit either of those conditions with regard to you?
4) you are right, I could not ever be a cop (not that you appear to be one either). I lived through waaaay more action, and fired more rounds doing it, in a couple years of my life than the entire police force of Redding has collectively in a lifetime, including their time on the practice range. And one of the things I learned from that was I have zero desire to exert judgement and power over others - especially violently. Somebody's got to do the job, but definitely not me. Sucks.
11-04-2014, 09:36 AM
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I have no idea what that rant was about..time for me to move on, have a good day.
If there was any doubt before, there isn't now:
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a buff is someone whose life revolves around police work. They will always talk about the job to anyone, whether they are cops or not, they ALWAYS wear something that says police, always think about police work, they talk in police codes and use cop terms in everyday normal conversations, and are very gung ho and eager. They watch cop shows, and read cop books. They own crown vics, and usually have police stickers all over the car.
Cops are entirely used to, and comfortable with, the general public disagreeing with them. I have known my share, including close cousin who retired LEO, best friend in my youth who became a county mountie in NY state after we returned from Vietnam, a current boating partner, and a couple others who worked the precincts where my print shops were located. None of them exhibited the slightest tendency toward imbalanced ranting protests as we are reading here. Rather, they laughed, mostly good-naturedly, at civilian opinions of "coppers", and handled their responsibility and powers with at least some class and restraint.
11-04-2014, 11:17 PM
Location: Boulder Creek, CA
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If there was any doubt before, there isn't now:
Cops are entirely used to, and comfortable with, the general public disagreeing with them. I have known my share, including close cousin who retired LEO, best friend in my youth who became a county mountie in NY state after we returned from Vietnam, a current boating partner, and a couple others who worked the precincts where my print shops were located. None of them exhibited the slightest tendency toward imbalanced ranting protests as we are reading here. Rather, they laughed, mostly good-naturedly, at civilian opinions of "coppers", and handled their responsibility and powers with at least some class and restraint.
Yes, it would only stand to reason that an individual on the force that exhibits as this unhinged would sooner rather than later be pulled aside, at the very least. Even amongst those that would engage in the activities described in the opening post.
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Most Common Occupations - Transportation occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Material moving occupations (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - Correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Federal prisons and detention centers (%)
People in Group quarters - Halfway houses (%)
People in Group quarters - Local jails and other confinement facilities (including police lockups) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military disciplinary barracks (%)
People in Group quarters - State prisons (%)
People in Group quarters - Other types of correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Nursing homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards, hospices, and schools for the handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards and hospices for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospices or homes for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Military hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Other hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals or wards for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Mental (Psychiatric) hospitals or wards (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the deaf (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the blind (%)
People in Group quarters - Orthopedic wards and institutions for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in general hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in military hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Juvenile institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Long-term care (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)