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NASCAR Nation! You know you can get spare car parts out there, so it's good for something. As long as you look like the natives, you might get out of there in one piece, and maybe with the correct quarter panel or axle.
After 2000-2006 or so? I haven't been down there in a while but my buddy went belly up in 2008 and the number of places empty and for sale were astonishing. If so, good for it. I'm not looking forward to the traffic though.
I believe so that it still is. All of SD County was hit hard. Chula Vista grows so fast that by the time they put out the population figures, it's outdated again. At over 220,000 people, it is also the second largest city in SD County.
Strikes me as a similar perspective as someone who grew up in SD, then left. Now in this case, it is a bit unusual to have such strong sentiments based on a mere two years stay. That is barely sufficient to get to know a place. In any case ...
I am similarly of two minds about the Bay Area. I grew up here, couldn't wait to leave, then, due to somewhat an accident of career advancement (or so I thought at the time) returned. It is definitely a love - hate relationship.
That's how I feel personally too. I didn't apply to college anywhere north of SLO and only came back to the Bay Area because of my career situation.
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It's easy to see why a lot of people think San Diego is beyond reproach. It's got great weather, it has arguably the prettiest and most accessible beaches in CA (eye candy galore, to boot), it's clean, its freeways make it really easy to get around, and the pace of life is much slower than anything you'd find in LA or the Bay Area. On the surface, it's hard to criticize, simply because it's a beautiful, easy going, and laid back place. For some people, that's all they really need. For lots of people, that's all they really WANT!
But if you dig deeper, and look past the veneer of it all, you won't find a ton of substance or depth. There's a deep undercurrent of provincialism that's self fulfilling: "San Diego is PERFECT! Why would I want to live or visit anywhere else. Don't you agree?" From my experience, and this comes from having lots of cousins who still live in the area, as well as friends who've never lived anywhere else, a lot of natives tend to pat themselves on the back, simply by virtue of being there. Transplants, and there's LOTS of them, tend to be from really boring places, or places with truly awful weather, and by contrast, where they're living now IS paradise. So you have this weird mixture of natives who are thumping their chests constantly about growing up and still living in SD, along with transplants who are congratulating the natives and themselves for being so awesome. It gets a little old, fairly quickly. The quickest way to make enemies, I've learned, is to suggest that other cities or places, particularly in CA, are more beautiful, fun, or 'better' than SD. If you don't think SD is a utopia, you must be crazy, weird, or not much fun, man. How could you not want to live in San Diego??? WTF is wrong with you???
Now, I'm sure some people will argue that this type of provincialism exists everywhere, even in the Bay Area. And to a certain extent, it's true. The Bay Area and SF are particularly exotic compared to other, boring parts of the country, and it's become a mecca for hipsters and techies trying to escape small town USA for big city life. I guess the difference to me is that to get by in life in SD, it doesn't seem to require the same level of ambition as other places. The Bay Area is a lot more cosmopolitan, educated, driven, and EXPENSIVE. It attracts a different kind of person. Maybe it's just the way I look at it, but the people I'm drawn to in the Bay Area are educated, well-traveled, driven, but most importantly, DIVERSE. I don't just mean diversity based on race or ethnicity, I mean in every aspect of the word. My friends and colleagues in the Bay Area really do come from all different walks of life. In my experience, in SD everyone wants everyone else to walk the same walk in life as them, and that walk means directly to the beach on a perfect, sunny day, 300 days a year.
Don't get me wrong. SD is definitely one of my favorite places to visit, and I have very fond memories of the two years I lived there in my early twenties, as well as the countless weekends I've spent since moving up to the Bay Area. It's a place, like Mutt, I could see myself retiring to. But when you're in your 20s/30s and even your 40s and think San Diego is "IT", I'd suggest doing a bit more traveling and meeting a LOT more people. Don't tell that to the natives though; they'll just think you're some crazy weirdo from the Bay Area who doesn't "get it".
Anyway, congrats on the move, Mutt. It's definitely a boaters paradise. No doubt about it
In my 9 years of living in SD I never really experienced this "SD is perfect why would you want to live or visit anywhere else?" mentality that apparently is very prevalent according to some. I didn't know a lot of natives though and the one's that I did were all fairly neutral and open to living elsewhere. I actually think Bay Area natives are much worse and bigger homers but that's also who I mostly socialize with too for obvious reasons. Outside of college very few natives have ever lived anywhere else and the one's that did move didn't move for long.
Most of the people I knew in SD were either from Northern CA or the Northeast, Boston in particular. I actually have more friends from the Midwest in the Bay Area than I did in SD. While most loved SD, most also weren't so infatuated they never considered moving and definitely not visiting anywhere else. That just seems so odd for anyone anywhere to do.
I did get that "SD is so much better than everywhere else because of our weather vibe" from some people but honestly isn't as bad as the "we're so educated, culture, cosmopolitan, enlightened, etc.." vibe LOTS of Bay Area folk exude, case in point your post lol. For as annoying some people can be in SD they don't seem to match the cockiness transplants in the Bay Area seem to adopt soon after moving here.
Perhaps my experience differs because I'm a native from the Bay Area suburbs (boring) and my social circle in SD largely revolved around friendships made via my college (UCSD) so I didn't get the dumbed down vibe some people seem to experience.
And for the OP, probably after about 2 years in SD I started ragging on the Bay Area. I think I joined this site around the height of it lol.
That's how I feel personally too. I didn't apply to college anywhere north of SLO and only came back to the Bay Area because of my career situation.
In my 9 years of living in SD I never really experienced this "SD is perfect why would you want to live or visit anywhere else?" mentality that apparently is very prevalent according to some. I didn't know a lot of natives though and the one's that I did were all fairly neutral and open to living elsewhere. I actually think Bay Area natives are much worse and bigger homers but that's also who I mostly socialize with too for obvious reasons. Outside of college very few natives have ever lived anywhere else and the one's that did move didn't move for long.
Most of the people I knew in SD were either from Northern CA or the Northeast, Boston in particular. I actually have more friends from the Midwest in the Bay Area than I did in SD. While most loved SD, most also weren't so infatuated they never considered moving and definitely not visiting anywhere else. That just seems so odd for anyone anywhere to do.
I did get that "SD is so much better than everywhere else because of our weather vibe" from some people but honestly isn't as bad as the "we're so educated, culture, cosmopolitan, enlightened, etc.." vibe LOTS of Bay Area folk exude, case in point your post lol. For as annoying some people can be in SD they don't seem to match the cockiness transplants in the Bay Area seem to adopt soon after moving here.
Perhaps my experience differs because I'm a native from the Bay Area suburbs (boring) and my social circle in SD largely revolved around friendships made via my college (UCSD) so I didn't get the dumbed down vibe some people seem to experience.
And for the OP, probably after about 2 years in SD I started ragging on the Bay Area. I think I joined this site around the height of it lol.
I went to community college and spent most of my free time at the beach and hung out in Hillcrest and the Gaslamp fairly often. You went to college at one of the best universities in the country and hung out with a different crowd than I probably did. Obviously, we had really different experiences and associated with different people. I'm not from either place, and I like them both a lot, but overall, I got over wanting to live in SD pretty quickly. To be honest, I haven't ruled out the possibility of relocating there someday, as it's definitely more affordable and less hectic but right now, I'm a lot happier where I'm at.
I went to community college and spent most of my free time at the beach and hung out in Hillcrest and the Gaslamp fairly often. You went to college at one of the best universities in the country and hung out with a different crowd than I probably did. Obviously, we had really different experiences and associated with different people. I'm not from either place, and I like them both a lot, but overall, I got over wanting to live in SD pretty quickly. To be honest, I haven't ruled out the possibility of relocating there someday, as it's definitely more affordable and less hectic but right now, I'm a lot happier where I'm at.
Well then I guess that makes more sense. Sometimes when I read people's experiences in SD I feel like I must have lived in a bubble or something because they differ from mine so much it seems. After college most people I hung out with didn't even like going to the beach that often anymore, I actually ended up going alone fairly often because no one wanted to go as sad as that sounds lol. I kind of eased my way into SD as my first two years were mainly spent on campus or in and around UTC/University City.
Well then I guess that makes more sense. Sometimes when I read people's experiences in SD I feel like I must have lived in a bubble or something because they differ from mine so much it seems. After college most people I hung out with didn't even like going to the beach that often anymore, I actually ended up going alone fairly often because no one wanted to go as sad as that sounds lol. I kind of eased my way into SD as my first two years were mainly spent on campus or in and around UTC/University City.
Very different vibe in that area, very much "college town" in feel. I've lived deep into SD; Valencia Park, Normal Heights and Mission Valley and in the city of Chula Vista. Nothing at all like UTC, La Jolla and those areas.
What is proper protocol? Like dating after divorce.
I took my drove down to San Diego about 10 days or so ago, and on a surprise whim I made an existential decision and rented a new slip for the boat. I haven't moved the boat out of San Francisco yet. But I will in the next month or two. Already dropped the Delta slip.
Now, do I wait until AFTER I am in the new home port to start ragging about the Bay? Do I start now? Do I tastefully wait six months - or a year? Before I lurk back to ridicule the 8 million I left behind to anguish and pain as I sit in the sun?
What's right?
Most of the divorced people that I know would argue with, criticize, disparage, etc. their soon-to-be ex well before the divorce. So, I say start trashing SF now...
What is proper protocol? Like dating after divorce.
I took my drove down to San Diego about 10 days or so ago, and on a surprise whim I made an existential decision and rented a new slip for the boat. I haven't moved the boat out of San Francisco yet. But I will in the next month or two. Already dropped the Delta slip.
Now, do I wait until AFTER I am in the new home port to start ragging about the Bay? Do I start now? Do I tastefully wait six months - or a year? Before I lurk back to ridicule the 8 million I left behind to anguish and pain as I sit in the sun?
What's right?
Maybe you should wait until you find out that the problem is the PLACE, and not YOU.
Maybe you should wait until you find out that the problem is the PLACE, and not YOU.
What problem and what place?
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