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Old 10-17-2015, 12:45 PM
 
Location: Laguna Niguel, Orange County CA
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[quote=Ruth4Truth;41593651][quote=nslander;41577419]
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this El Nino won't help the drought Temporarily. Then--it's back to drought.
It's a temporary reprieve only because:

Our population continues to grow;
We lack infrastructure (many more reservoirs, etc.) as mechanisms to survive future droughts; and
The agricultural sector has yet to make massive systemic changes to the way it irrigates, what is grown here, etc.
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Old 10-17-2015, 12:55 PM
 
Location: State of Transition
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It's a temporary reprieve only because:

Our population continues to grow;
We lack infrastructure (many more reservoirs, etc.) as mechanisms to survive future droughts; and
The agricultural sector has yet to make massive systemic changes to the way it irrigates, what is grown here, etc.
Thanks for a good post. More reservoirs would mainly catch rainfall during El Nino years. While that's a good idea, I don't think it would solve the problem long term. Ag is starting to change, but not enough. I certainly hope people have stopped planting almond groves and other high-water-consumption crops, but I'm not holding my breath.

Other parts of the country need to step up with ag development; CA has been allowed to dominate the market too long. I was up in the PNW recently, and on the Olympic Peninsula people said the area there is doing just that--bringing more farms into production, in part to make the area self-sufficient food-wise, in case of a regional collapse. Interesting thought-processes going on there. Thought followed by action. But it's dry everywhere; I don't know where they think they'll get the water for expanded crops. Some friends of mine said they were short of water for their own kitchen gardens.
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Old 10-17-2015, 01:34 PM
 
Location: Carpinteria
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[quote=Ruth4Truth;41593813][quote=LuvSouthOC;41593720]
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Thanks for a good post. More reservoirs would mainly catch rainfall during El Nino years. While that's a good idea, I don't think it would solve the problem long term. Ag is starting to change, but not enough. I certainly hope people have stopped planting almond groves and other high-water-consumption crops, but I'm not holding my breath.
getting off topic but here is interesting article about the drought, almonds and water…. Almonds in California: They use up a lot of water, but they deserve a place in California’s future.
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Old 12-20-2015, 07:51 PM
 
Location: Laguna Niguel, Orange County CA
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A second poisonous sea snake shows up on SoCal beaches.

2nd yellow bellied sea snake found washed up on California's Huntington beach | Daily Mail Online
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Old 12-20-2015, 08:22 PM
 
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El Nino is already officially here and will bring powerful storms Jan - Mar.
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Old 12-21-2015, 08:11 AM
 
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El Nino is already officially here and will bring powerful storms Jan - Mar.
I hope it brings massive amounts of Snow or it will not really help the drought and simply bring bad weather through the Winter.
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Old 12-21-2015, 12:02 PM
 
Location: Oroville, California
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I read that historically (well, since the 1950s) El Nino patterns usually result in much heavier than normal rain in November and December. As of December 9th we are about 60% of normal rainfall/snowpack (instead of 200% normal back in 1997). El Nino "can" result in above normal rainfall, but its not a given. I was thinking all last fall I wish the media would shut up about it so they don't jinx us.
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Old 12-21-2015, 03:48 PM
 
Location: Laguna Niguel, Orange County CA
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El Nino is expected to be strongest over next three months.

NOAA: El Niño picks up over the next three months | KRON4.com
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Old 12-21-2015, 04:37 PM
 
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Thanks for a good post. More reservoirs would mainly catch rainfall during El Nino years. While that's a good idea, I don't think it would solve the problem long term. Ag is starting to change, but not enough. I certainly hope people have stopped planting almond groves and other high-water-consumption crops, but I'm not holding my breath.

Other parts of the country need to step up with ag development; CA has been allowed to dominate the market too long. I was up in the PNW recently, and on the Olympic Peninsula people said the area there is doing just that--bringing more farms into production, in part to make the area self-sufficient food-wise, in case of a regional collapse. Interesting thought-processes going on there. Thought followed by action. But it's dry everywhere; I don't know where they think they'll get the water for expanded crops. Some friends of mine said they were short of water for their own kitchen gardens.
reservoirs are where they pump up the purified sewer..before it goes to your tap again
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Old 12-21-2015, 06:46 PM
 
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So far the pattern is actually more like La Nina, which is really surprising even to me. I'm sure there will be a lot of research done on this.

My own theory is that there is destructive interference between PDO or even some longer wavelength oscillation, and, ENSO. Whatever "it" is, is overpowering ENSO along the West Coast of North America.

Silver lining for OR - their drought is essentially over.
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