Public Employee Unions want to change Prop. 13 so busness property tax goes up & up more every year. (Oakland: place to live, lawsuits)

[Electrician4you]

Originally Posted by Tulemutt

100% of all costs are always passed to customers. That is the very definition of for-profit business. No other possible way to be in business. So basic it's absurd to even state it. Bizarre expat and you would even try to explain as if there was any option.

You can pass all your costs to customers. It’s your business. However

You have other competitors. And customers will shop elsewhere. So you’ll lose customers and be forced to lower prices or go out of business. It’s easy to say raise prices. Doing it is another thing.

Originally Posted by mgforshort

I firmly believe property tax on a residence should not be based on the price of the property, but on the size of the property and the number of people living there.

For example:
A single woman living in a 900 sq.ft, million-dollar condo in San Francisco needs much less services than a family of eight living in a 4-bedroom, 4,000 sq.ft house in Bakersfield, which home can be purchased for a third of the price.
Services like roads, schools, utilities, calls to police or firefighters, and so fort.

Anything else is just a small, first step to Socialism. Oops, I think we are there already.

It would be practically impossible to have such system. It’s basically unworkable. You might as well privatize services and send a bill when you use services. You don’t pay you don’t get a ambulance. Your house burning down? Better have a check written out. Need a cop cause you got stabbed and bleeding? Better hold out that Visa. . As a society we all pay.
However under your idea the people who will be paying more are the ones who can least afford it.

Originally Posted by SportyandMisty

Well, modifying Prop 13 to allow a greater annual increase in property taxes actually levied will go a long way to solving California's housing shortage.

How will raising taxes put more houses on the market? I think it will constrict housing even more as people who were moving up now can’t so they aren’t selling. People who were moving to buy won’t.
Raising taxes won’t do squat for affordable housing.
What will is building more housing

Originally Posted by 2sleepy

I'm not sure who is half awake here. Grocery prices are the same in Reno Nevada as they are in Northern California even though you claim that taxes are much lower in Nevada, so why aren't groceries cheaper in Nevada?

Taxes have nothing to do with the prices of commodities or food stuff. Food is priced different. A can of corn may be .99 cents at Pavillions and .79 cents at Food 4 Less.

[2sleepy]

Originally Posted by Electrician4you

Taxes have nothing to do with the prices of commodities or food stuff. Food is priced different. A can of corn may be .99 cents at Pavillions and .79 cents at Food 4 Less.

Then there's no reason for consumers to support lowering taxes on businesses huh? If consumers don't benefit from lower prices because of lower taxes then one can assume that the business owner is shoveling the extra revenue into their pocket, right?

[expatCA]

Originally Posted by 2sleepy

Then there's no reason for consumers to support lowering taxes on businesses huh? If consumers don't benefit from lower prices because of lower taxes then one can assume that the business owner is shoveling the extra revenue into their pocket, right?

What lower taxes??????????????????????

[CA4Now]

Originally Posted by Ultrarunner

You have just described Prop 13 which at its core states "Value at the time of transfer"

What Prop 13 did was change the method where Property was taxed based upon the county Tax Assessor's best guess... it eliminated the highest and best use based on someone's opinion.

Post of the thread. This should be a sticky, given all the threads there are here on Prop 13 (and all the misinformation about why it was passed and what it does).

[CA4Now]

Originally Posted by mgforshort

I firmly believe property tax on a residence should not be based on the price of the property, but on the size of the property and the number of people living there.

Services like roads, schools, utilities, calls to police or firefighters, and so fort.

Anything else is just a small, first step to Socialism. Oops, I think we are there already.

Originally Posted by Electrician4you

It would be practically impossible to have such system. It’s basically unworkable. You might as well privatize services and send a bill when you use services. You don’t pay you don’t get a ambulance. Your house burning down? Better have a check written out. Need a cop cause you got stabbed and bleeding? Better hold out that Visa. As a society we all pay.

Exactly. Well said.

[2sleepy]

Originally Posted by expatCA

What lower taxes??????????????????????

Remember the wonderful Trump tax bill that gave corporations and the rich a big wet kiss? Those lower taxes.

[CaliRestoration]

Originally Posted by 2sleepy

Remember the wonderful Trump tax bill that gave corporations and the rich a big wet kiss? Those lower taxes.

e.g - Letting people keep more of their money instead of giving it to the government to fund retired people's pensions...

[2sleepy]

Originally Posted by CaliRestoration

e.g - Letting people keep more of their money instead of giving it to the government to fund retired people's pensions...

Apparently fewer than a third of taxpayers have been allowed to keep more of their money:

"Just 32 percent of the public reports having more take home pay because of the tax cuts, including only 48 percent of Trump supporters and 35 percent of the middle class. More than half say they see no change in their paychecks and 16 percent are unsure."
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/03/27/cnbc...-tax-cuts.html

[expatCA]

Originally Posted by 2sleepy

Remember the wonderful Trump tax bill that gave corporations and the rich a big wet kiss? Those lower taxes.

Wasted post as that has nothing to do with Prop 13, the subject.

[expatCA]

Originally Posted by 2sleepy

Apparently fewer than a third of taxpayers have been allowed to keep more of their money:

"Just 32 percent of the public reports having more take home pay because of the tax cuts, including only 48 percent of Trump supporters and 35 percent of the middle class. More than half say they see no change in their paychecks and 16 percent are unsure."
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/03/27/cnbc...-tax-cuts.html

Cant tell yet as the benefit of the higher deduction shows up at filing. Stupid report.