California Drought Myths (living, storage, electricity)

[TheDragonslayer]

Originally Posted by mbell75

They are using the cost as an excuse. Whats $1 billion to state when you are spending $68 billion on a completely useless train? The real reason they are stalling on desalination plants are (as usual in CA) the environmentalists who claim it raises the oceans core temperature and will endanger sea life. It would be more cost effective to work on a pipeline to bring in water from another state.

Which state? Oregon is now in a drought, Nevada does not have the water, nor does Washington. A desalination plant costs close to $1 billion, so does their plan to increase the height of Lake Shasta 18 feet and to build another dam on the San Joaquin River above Millerton Lake creating another lake with the name of Temperance. Where is the water coming from to fill Shasta Lake? In the last 40 years the only year it was wet enough for the Lake to maintain a good high level most of the year was in 1983 and it has only reached maximum capacity and overflowed a few times. Millerton Lake and the ensuing Temperance Reservoir depend on snow melt and runoff from the Sierra. As long as this drought persists, water is going to be expensive to get or produce.

[incognitoe]

CA is to build DESAL 13 plants. 1 in Carlsbad is projected to be completed by the fall.

Epic Drought Spurs California to Build Largest Desalination Plant in Western Hemisphere

I like how Retardicans are blaming the drought on God punishing us. Just like how God punished Texas with a massive flood to cleanse the area of tools right?

[znlwovuhrjw]

Originally Posted by incognitoe

CA is to build DESAL 13 plants. 1 in Carlsbad is projected to be completed by the fall.

Epic Drought Spurs California to Build Largest Desalination Plant in Western Hemisphere

I like how Retardicans are blaming the drought on God punishing us. Just like how God punished Texas with a massive flood to cleanse the area of tools right?

How long do you think it's going to take to FINISH and get RUNNING the additional 12? Sure hope it's in the next 5 years.

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by incognitoe

CA is to build DESAL 13 plants. 1 in Carlsbad is projected to be completed by the fall.

Epic Drought Spurs California to Build Largest Desalination Plant in Western Hemisphere

I like how Retardicans are blaming the drought on God punishing us. Just like how God punished Texas with a massive flood to cleanse the area of tools right?

Moderator cut: personal - off topic Do you actually believe that every, or even the majority, of republicans believe in fundamentalist, creationist dogma and are intellectually inferior to you?

[expatCA]

Originally Posted by Tulemutt

Do you actually believe that every, or even the majority, of republicans believe in fundamentalist, creationist dogma and are intellectually inferior to you?

He probably voted for the ones doing ........ nothing about it, except raising costs.

[incognitoe]

Originally Posted by Tulemutt

Do you actually believe that every, or even the majority, of republicans believe in fundamentalist, creationist dogma and are intellectually inferior to you?

For most of the Republican politicians, no. But for the vast majority of Retardican voters, yes. Just listen to their reasoning to why they voted for McCain.

They don't use logic or critical thinking. They use "feelings". For example, "I'm voting for the American, or Obama is a Terrorists, that's why". LOL

And FYI, I didn't vote for Obama, because anyone who paid attention to anything would realize that Obama shares the exact same policy as the Bu$h administration. (Same shlt, different a$$).

Instead I voted for a Texan Republican. Ron Paul.

[phantompilot]

Here are the actual facts about this situation:

-drought is normal (happens most places at some point)
-excessive demand (created by overpopulation due to immigration) is the source of the scarcity
-if CA had the population it had in 1970 there would be no rationing and no "shortage"
- yah, greedy corporate farmers are using most of the water. Most of it is exported. Like the 5 TRILLION gallons of water they send overseas in the form of nuts and grains.

In other words, a problem entirely of the government's creation.

That you are now stuck with.

[nslander]

Originally Posted by phantompilot

Here are the actual facts about this situation:

-drought is normal (happens most places at some point)
-excessive demand (created by overpopulation due to immigration) is the source of the scarcity
-if CA had the population it had in 1970 there would be no rationing and no "shortage"
- yah, greedy corporate farmers are using most of the water. Most of it is exported. Like the 5 TRILLION gallons of water they send overseas in the form of nuts and grains.

In other words, a problem entirely of the government's creation.

That you are now stuck with.

So..our historically low snowpack is "normal", agribusiness uses the supermajority of the water supply but the Mexicans are causing the restrictions, and the gudmint is causing agribusiness to use and export all that water.

Ok.

[incognitoe]

Originally Posted by nslander

So..our historically low snowpack is "normal", agribusiness uses the supermajority of the water supply but the Mexicans are causing the restrictions, and the gudmint is causing agribusiness to use and export all that water.

Ok.

Lack of rain has nothing to do with it (worst drought in how many years for 3 years straight). Those damn Illegals are to blame.

[GoldenZephyr]

On geologic timescales, the weather we are experiencing was entirely predictable. California's "average" rainfall is actually a few wet years between drier periods (example historically L.A. is 25+" rainfall year between 8-10" years).

Knowing this, the importance of building large RAIN catch reservoirs should have been paramount.
Knowing that the snowpack is highly variable, efforts should have been in place to secure alternative sources
Knowing that precipitation is variable, crops like Alfalfa and Almonds should not have been allowed (they use more water than ever single resident and business in the state combined.


Jerry Brown focuses all his reduction efforts on the smallest, but cynically visible to the uneducated public, a "bread and circuses" response. Of course all the reductions are targeted at things he doesn't like anyway, so its a win-win for him.

-showers
-glasses of water in restaurants
-lawns


These things use very little water compared to the megaconsumers in big Ag or things like smelt. But people like theatrical responses that "feel" like government is doing something. So thus a huge amount of energy is wasted on glasses of water in restaurants instead of tackling the big failures in leadership and planning over the years.