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View Poll Results: What would you consider yourself?
Californian first, American second 22 25.88%
American first, Californian second 63 74.12%
Voters: 85. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 11-19-2016, 11:59 AM
 
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Nope, they don't need to leave at all- they are all welcome and part of California's incredible diversity. I'm all for having local issues decided by local citizens and less federal control, overall. If this independence movement is ever going to work, we need as many Californians to unite and compromise. Luckily Californians already have some common ground: we value education, the environment, and for the most part, we have a live and let live attitude. That's a pretty good start, in my opinion.
But I thought you wanted CA to secede because it doesn't share the values of the rest of America, I assume by that you meant conservatism. So why would right leaning people be welcome in CA if one of the biggest reasons to secede is that CA has different values than the rest of the country. What about those Californians that don't share your values.

See this is the tough part, just what are those values? What does 'live and let live' mean? It just seems too abstract.
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Old 11-19-2016, 01:17 PM
 
Location: SW King County, WA
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Perhaps if you actually read the platform, or even just the portion of it I quoted, you'd better understand my point.
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Old 11-19-2016, 03:16 PM
 
Location: State of Transition
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I consider myself to be a global citizen, first.
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Old 11-19-2016, 04:46 PM
 
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I consider myself to be a global citizen, first.
Got a passport from the UN?
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Old 11-21-2016, 05:24 AM
 
Location: Former land of plenty
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I'm an American first because I've lived in all 3 states served by the I-5
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Old 11-21-2016, 05:43 AM
 
Location: Monnem Germany/ from San Diego
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Well I have been outside of the US for a long time, I still am a US citizen, might change that. mainly for convinence nothing political.
It's a bit expensive to give up US citizenship right now. Really 2000+$????

Anyways regardless of my passport I always consider myself a San Diegan first, the rest, whatever.
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