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Old 06-19-2015, 12:01 PM
 
Location: So Ca
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9 of the 10 UCs campuses were ranked among the world’s best universities in 2014.

This link lists UC rankings in broad academic areas: 9 UC campuses ranked among world
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Old 06-19-2015, 12:15 PM
 
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Here is another list for 2015 Cal Poly #2 in the nation
And the Best US Architecture Schools for 2015 Are
It's referring to the same research company, DesignIntelligence, as the other link you posted. (Maybe we could buy the $39.99 book that they advertise, too.)
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Old 06-19-2015, 12:40 PM
 
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It's referring to the same research company, DesignIntelligence, as the other link you posted. (Maybe we could buy the $39.99 book that they advertise, too.)
Youre attempts are getting trite and boring. You can actually read the correct criteria and survey results here if you wish? Your choice. NO UCs in the top 20. Cal #10 grad school, UCLA #15 grad school made those lists.

http://pva.com/assets/Magazine.pdf

Cal Poly's national Rank the last 10 years: #2, #1, 5, 4, 3, 3, 3, 4, 6, 3, 4, 3


IN ADDITION:
In a survey of 78 deans of architecture in the US -
Cal Poly is ranked #2 most admired program in the US



Another totally different - #8 again, NO UCs on the list
World's Best Architecture Schools and Universities - Top 10 List
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Old 06-19-2015, 12:47 PM
 
Location: Orange County, CA
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Read the comments section under that link:
"Cal Poly SLO, UT Austin, V-Tech are the three largest programs in the country. Is it any wonder they get the top 5 most brownie points?"

"The article describes how the survey is conducted. There does not seem to be a quantitative statistic in the evaluation. It would seem to be entirely subjective, and therefore a useless statistic. It would be better to simply publish the NAAB grade, at least that is not entirely subjective."
^^^try as you might to discredit, I dont see any UCs on either list.

Here is another list for 2015 Cal Poly #2 in the nation

And the Best US Architecture Schools for 2015 Are

1. Cornell University
2. California Polytechnic State Univ., San Luis Obispo
3. Rice University
4. Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University
5. Syracuse University
6. University of Texas at Austin
7. Rhode Island School of Design
8. Southern California Inst. of Architecture
9. Pratt Institute
10. University of Southern California
But he is correct in that these undergraduate rankings you selected are based on surveys, which are usually subjective. Also, both lists come from the same source, DesignIntelligence just one for 2014 and the other for 2015. You also left out the Graduate listings where Berkeley made the top 10 at least and CalPoly did not.

What you won't get from the rankings lists though is that Berkeley's architecture program is strictly academic, going up to a PhD. CalPoly is focused on practicing professionals so their graduate program goes up to MArch.

There's no need to split too many hairs over this in either direction. The Architectural Record is a very reputable publication, being the official magazine of the AIA so they found the survey rankings to be reasonable. It is worth noting that "Best" in this case was defined as "makes employers happy" and not something else equally subjective like being innovative or something. Otherwise there is no end to the arguments (or merely clashing egos).

For example, I can pull up a 2012 US News list of top Graduate Fine Arts programs where UCLA:
Best Fine Arts Programs | Top Fine Arts Schools | US News Best Graduate Schools [grad-schools.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com]

Why Fine Arts? Because that's where UCLA's Architecture program is located. Their focus is probably a little less on the practical aspects of the profession [ie. minting "job-ready" graduates] and more on the theory of design and aesthetics. Berkeley's program is probably similar, but likely made the DesignIntelligence list because their grads were able to cope with the business side of the job well enough to impress their bosses for any reason.

For the purposes of this thread, I think it doesn't hurt to acknowledge that CalPoly undergrad architects have pretty solid reputations in the field and at the same time that the UCs simply do not have a strong focus on undergraduate architecture but do in graduate studies and the more academic side of things.
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Old 06-19-2015, 12:53 PM
 
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^^I agree except for the part about discounting the methodology. If you read the last link I provided its more than a survey Design Intelligence published it but it was from an independent group. And you are right Cal Poly is focused on practicing architects and Im only referring to undergrad programs and I did mention the Cal and UCLA rankings on the graduate side.
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Old 06-19-2015, 01:23 PM
 
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these undergraduate rankings you selected are based on surveys, which are usually subjective. Also, both lists come from the same source, DesignIntelligence just one for 2014 and the other for 2015. You also left out the Graduate listings where Berkeley made the top 10 at least and CalPoly did not...
Thank you for your calm, rational post that is devoid of expletives.
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Old 06-19-2015, 02:32 PM
 
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Thank you for your calm, rational post that is devoid of expletives.
Yes and thank you for presenting your incorrect opinion over and over without acknowledging additional facts provided.
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Old 06-20-2015, 03:44 PM
 
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Youre attempts are getting trite and boring. You can actually read the correct criteria and survey results here if you wish? Your choice.
http://pva.com/assets/Magazine.pdf
That's a picture of the same book in your other link, advertised for $39.99. DesignIntelligence uses subjective data to rank its schools.

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IN ADDITION: In a survey of 78 deans of architecture in the US - Cal Poly is ranked #2 most admired program in the US
Most "admired" program? And which deans might those be?

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Another totally different - #8 again, NO UCs on the list
World's Best Architecture Schools and Universities - Top 10 List
Don't see Cal Poly on the list, either. (Only two American universities are on it.) What’s your point? No one stated that one of the UCs was among the top architecture schools in the world.
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Old 06-20-2015, 06:44 PM
 
Location: Vancouver, WA
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I'm not interested in getting into the 'mine is bigger/better than yours' pissing contest. And I didn't go to either school; so I don't really care. But I can say from a real world hiring perspective, as one on the hiring team, we (a Fortune 500 Tech Co) bring in some really good interns and new hires from a wide spectrum of backgrounds/colleges. These include both UCs and CSUs. Some of our best, new, motivated, young hires have come from CSUs. Many large companies also recruit form their campuses. Once a person goes beyond college and moves into their actual careers, that label or pedigree means 'very' little beyond bragging rights in discussions such as these. If they perform well on their job they get promoted, bottom line. Now for certain careers I know it might go further like law, business, etc... But for many areas it really does not matter.

Google discovered through research that their hiring practices and preconceived notions of what actually constitutes a good potential employee were false. For example, GPA was actually a meaningless indicator of future job performance. http://mobile.nytimes.com/2013/06/20...-big-deal.html

I've also seen the opposite occur where a pedigree can lend to general sense of entitlement in an individual. One cannot expect to grow and be promoted based on where they went to college. All that degree really does is get them in the door for the interview to meet a 'minimum' set of qualifications. The real learning and works begins 'after' college, on the job. That's not the time to lay back and rest on one educational laurels. Rather, its the time to really kick it into gear and build a reputation. One attitude is 'see where I went' vs. 'see what I can do for you now.' There is a world of difference there, regardless of school attended. Management could care less about the former nor do our customers.

Lastly, many UCs are known to focus more on the 'theoretical/research' side of the things whereas the CSUs focus on 'applied' sciences. So they cater to different audiences. My friend's son got just got accepted to many CSU and UC schools of engineering. But he chose Cal Poly SLO because he wanted to focus more on applied engineering. I'm sure he could do well in any program. Yet that one was more appealing due to his professional goals. I reject the notion one should pick a school simply because of its overall pedigree. It really depends on what one wants to do professionally.

Derek

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Old 06-20-2015, 08:34 PM
 
Location: Northern Colorado
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I'm not interested in getting into the 'mine is bigger/better than yours' pissing contest. And I didn't go to either school; so I don't really care. But I can say from a real world hiring perspective, as one on the hiring team, we (a Fortune 500 Tech Co) bring in some really good interns and new hires from a wide spectrum of backgrounds/colleges. These include both UCs and CSUs. Some of our best, new, motivated, young hires have come from CSUs. Many large companies also recruit form their campuses. Once a person goes beyond college and moves into their actual careers, that label or pedigree means 'very' little beyond bragging rights in discussions such as these. If they perform well on their job they get promoted, bottom line. Now for certain careers I know it might go further like law, business, etc... But for many areas it really does not matter.

Google discovered through research that their hiring practices and preconceived notions of what actually constitutes a good potential employee were false. For example, GPA was actually a meaningless indicator of future job performance. http://mobile.nytimes.com/2013/06/20...-big-deal.html

I've also seen the opposite occur where a pedigree can lend to general sense of entitlement in an individual. One cannot expect to grow and be promoted based on where they went to college. All that degree really does is get them in the door for the interview to meet a 'minimum' set of qualifications. The real learning and works begins 'after' college, on the job. That's not the time to lay back and rest on one educational laurels. Rather, its the time to really kick it into gear and build a reputation. One attitude is 'see where I went' vs. 'see what I can do for you now.' There is a world of difference there, regardless of school attended. Management could care less about the former nor do our customers.

Lastly, many UCs are known to focus more on the 'theoretical/research' side of the things whereas the CSUs focus on 'applied' sciences. So they cater to different audiences. My friend's son got just got accepted to many CSU and UC schools of engineering. But he chose Cal Poly SLO because he wanted to focus more on applied engineering. I'm sure he could do well in any program. Yet that one was more appealing due to his professional goals. I reject the notion one should pick a school simply because of its overall pedigree. It really depends on what one wants to do professionally.

Derek
Exactly. Education doesn't matter much after graduTion. Alumnis internships and and access to jobs after graduation is what determines how likely you will get a job after graduation. Where you went might matter a little for getting into grad school.
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