Proposition 47 Discussion (Santa Clara, San Mateo, Alameda: 2015, crime, felons)

[2sleepy]

Originally Posted by shooting4life

We have the money to fund the justice system adaquitly, the governor and state officials have not really made it a priority. Instead we build trains. This with prop 47 which was passed by the soft headed voters of California that turned these previous felonies (like breaking into a car or stealing a gun) into misdemeanors leading to more cite a releases when criminals are caught instead of going to jail.

The decision to cite/release is a local one. In Napa, Solano, Yolo & Butte a very large majority of offenders arrested for misdemeanors are booked into the jail and remain there until they post bond.

[LoriBee62]

Originally Posted by shooting4life

We have the money to fund the justice system adaquitly, the governor and state officials have not really made it a priority. Instead we build trains.

This being the argument people make when they don't understand that money for one state/federal project doesn't get spent using money from city services.

[2sleepy]

Originally Posted by shooting4life

We have the money to fund the justice system adaquitly, the governor and state officials have not really made it a priority. Instead we build trains.

Seriously..how much do you want to spend, just consider prison costs without even throwing in the other costs of law enforcement, courts, etc.

[Ruth4Truth]

Originally Posted by Ultrarunner

The Bay Area is the car theft capital of the USA and California covers most of the top 10...

My 81 year old Mom had her 14 year old Corolla stolen as well as others I know with similar vintage Honda and Toyota vehicles.

The police are non-pulsed by it... Mom was told it was the second one that morning... doesn't take much if the thief is determined.

Sheriff found mom's 14 weeks after it was stolen... and it was not wrecked or missing many parts... seems someone took it and drove it until it was out of gas and parked it...

I'm glad your mom recovered her fave vehicle. I like happy endings!
Odd that someone would just take it to ride around in.

[shooting4life]

Originally Posted by LoriBee62

This being the argument people make when they don't understand that money for one state/federal project doesn't get spent using money from city services.

The prison and justice system is state funded.

[shooting4life]

Originally Posted by 2sleepy

Seriously..how much do you want to spend, just consider prison costs without even throwing in the other costs of law enforcement, courts, etc.

The higher level of spending on prisons at least accomplishes the goals it was set out for, lowering crime. Education spending has increased and students are getting dumber.

Not to mention spending on schools is roughly ten time higher than the spending on the justice system and prisons.

[shooting4life]

Originally Posted by 2sleepy

The decision to cite/release is a local one. In Napa, Solano, Yolo & Butte a very large majority of offenders arrested for misdemeanors are booked into the jail and remain there until they post bond.

Site and release has more to do with realignment as prisoners have been sent down to county jails filling them to over capacity; leaving no room to lower level criminals leading to site and release. This might not be much of an issue in rural counties, but it is a very large issue in more populated areas.

[2sleepy]

Originally Posted by Ultrarunner

My 81 year old Mom had her 14 year old Corolla stolen as well as others I know with similar vintage Honda and Toyota vehicles. Sheriff found mom's 14 weeks after it was stolen... and it was not wrecked or missing many parts... seems someone took it and drove it until it was out of gas and parked it...

Fantastic! I told you that she would get it back, remember? There is little value in stealing cars like that dummies take them when they need a ride and drive around until they are out of gas- it happens all the time. No one is going to take an old Corolla and strip it for parts, the parts would be worth about $800

[2sleepy]

Originally Posted by shooting4life

Site and release has more to do with realignment as prisoners have been sent down to county jails filling them to over capacity; leaving no room to lower level criminals leading to site and release. This might not be much of an issue in rural counties, but it is a very large issue in more populated areas.

It does not, do you even know what realignment did? As far as overcrowded jails..do some research since 2011 the state has given counties billions to expand jails and create local treatment/rehab facilities, by 2016-2017 the state will have distributed 4.4 billion dollars to counties for that purpose. If jails are releasing inmates early- then go to your county supervisors or city council and tell them- don't whine on the internet cause we can't fix this for you.

[BayAreaHillbilly]

Originally Posted by V8 Vega

San Francisco car burglaries are up 47% this year over 2014 while car thefts have risen 17% and robberies rose by 23%.
In LA overall crime is up 12.7% this year and violent crime rose 21%.
Thats after 12 straight years of crime decreases in LA.

Guess what? Adachi wants to expand it further. I believe a new Prop is being written to do so.

According to Adachi et al, this is actually an huge success. In this case success is measured by reduction in the prison population.

I do have to admit I agree with a small sliver of their argument - in the area of certain drug related incarcerations. But Adachi wants to make most robberies non-felony offenses. WRONG!