Sacramento,CA VS. Long Beach,CA (Los Angeles, San Jose: homes, salaries, to live in)

[WizardOfRadical]

Originally Posted by Tex?Il?

The two aren't really a comparison. Long Beach is immediately part of LA metro area. Yes, it involved largely independently and has a large downtown, but its 100% enveloped by the dense urban sprawl of LA.

Sacrmento on the other hand is a fully stand along city/metro area that is geographically separated from the immediate Bay Area with its own economy, etc.

LoL Long Beach has it's own economy. It has the second busiest port in the entire country, oil fields, an airport.

It is not enveloped by Los Angeles. It barely touches LA. It's really more of an independent satellite city and part of the greater LA region.

Also, Sacramento's proximity to the bay area is part of the reason warehousing and distribution is so big there. All the goods coming and going from the Port of Oakland get warehoused in adjacent Central Valley areas. The state capitol also sees a lot of finance/tech/political donor big wigs from the bay too. There is also a ton of bay people living there.

The distance between the bay area exurb of Vacaville and Sacramento exurb of Davis is about 20 miles.

Not denying Sac is it's own metro, but the periphery of both metros are fairly close to each other.

[pistola916]

Originally Posted by WizardOfRadical

LoL Long Beach has it's own economy. It has the second busiest port in the entire country, oil fields, an airport.

It is not enveloped by Los Angeles. It barely touches LA. It's really more of an independent satellite city and part of the greater LA region.

Also, Sacramento's proximity to the bay area is part of the reason warehousing and distribution is so big there. All the goods coming and going from the Port of Oakland get warehoused in adjacent Central Valley areas. The state capitol also sees a lot of finance/tech/political donor big wigs from the bay too. There is also a ton of bay people living there.

The distance between the bay area exurb of Vacaville and Sacramento exurb of Davis is about 20 miles.

Maybe its the Northern Californian in me but LB, The OC, Santa Monica, I consider all that to be Los Angeles.

Yeah, there are many former Bay Areans that make Sacramento home so what but that doesn't diminishes Sacramento's character. In fact, having many transplants from the Bay is a positive.

[Chimérique]

Originally Posted by WizardOfRadical

LoL Long Beach has it's own economy. It has the second busiest port in the entire country, oil fields, an airport.

It is not enveloped by Los Angeles. It barely touches LA. It's really more of an independent satellite city and part of the greater LA region.

Also, Sacramento's proximity to the bay area is part of the reason warehousing and distribution is so big there. All the goods coming and going from the Port of Oakland get warehoused in adjacent Central Valley areas. The state capitol also sees a lot of finance/tech/political donor big wigs from the bay too. There is also a ton of bay people living there.

The distance between the bay area exurb of Vacaville and Sacramento exurb of Davis is about 20 miles.

Not denying Sac is it's own metro, but the periphery of both metros are fairly close to each other.

I agree with you.

But can I make a slight correction here, exurb is not a very accurate description of Davis and the relationship between Davis and Sacramento. Firstly, Davis is as close to Sacramento as Berkeley is to SF, give or take a few miles.

The train that connects Davis and Sacramento takes less time than a trip from SF to Berkeley on BART.

Davis is Sacramento's Berkeley. Davis is both and an economically independent city and a suburb of Sacramento as a lot of Davis residents work in Sacramento. Also, the premier UC Davis Medical Center is in Sacramento, not Davis.

[WizardOfRadical]

Originally Posted by Chimérique

I agree with you.

But can I make a slight correction here, exurb is not a very accurate description of Davis and the relationship between Davis and Sacramento. Firstly, Davis is as close to Sacramento as Berkeley is to SF, give or take a few miles.

The train that connects Davis and Sacramento takes less time than a trip from SF to Berkeley on BART.

Davis is Sacramento's Berkeley. Davis is both and an economically independent city and a suburb of Sacramento as a lot of Davis residents work in Sacramento. Also, the premier UC Davis Medical Center is in Sacramento, not Davis.

LoL I don't think you understand what an exurb is. It's basically a suburban area separated from the rest of the metro by a bit of rural land. In this case, there is about 10 miles of farm land in between Davis and West Sac.

Yes it has a UC Campus and is a college town. But it is still an exurb.

[sav858]

An exurb is a commuter town beyond the suburbs, Davis doesn't really fit that definition and part of that is because of the college; it's a lot more self-contained and less of a commuter town than a typical suburb.

[WizardOfRadical]

Originally Posted by sav858

An exurb is a commuter town beyond the suburbs, Davis doesn't really fit that definition and part of that is because of the college; it's a lot more self-contained and less of a commuter town than a typical suburb.

Most people who live in Davis (and are not students) do not work at the college. They commute into Sacramento, as Davis does not offer the higher incomes one needs to afford to live in Davis. And most people who work at the college do not live in Davis. They live in Sacramento, as the jobs at the college typically do not pay enough for one to live in Davis.

The University offers 28,000 jobs, so more people actually commute in from Sac vs people commuting to Sac. Though I suspect if Davis actually addressed the demand for housing it would be a bit more of an even keel.

So it might not be as traditional an exurb as Vacaville, but it's pretty much an exurban part of the Sac Region none the less. That's not really "self contained" like say, Chico. Outside of students and faculty, most people don't really spend the whole time "in town".

You see the same thing in college towns like Ann Arbor, MI. They draw more commuters than they put out, but it is still part of the Detroit metro.

[2sleepy]

Originally Posted by WizardOfRadical

Most people who live in Davis do not work at the college. They commute into Sacramento, as Davis does not offer the higher incomes one needs to afford to live in Davis. And most people who work at the college do not live in Davis. They live in Sacramento, as the jobs at the college typically do not pay enough for one to live in Davis. That's not really "self contained" like say, Chico.
So while your theory is interesting, it pretty much has no merit and is easily dispelled by commute patterns. Now go back to sleep, Walnut Creek.

You made a claim that most people who work in Davis live in Sacramento. Can you back it up or are we supposed to just accept that as fact? There are around 35,000 non students residing in Davis and that is only the City limits, it does not account for rural residents. Those people must work somewhere, right? And why do you assume that most UCD employees live in Sacramento? I lived in that area for several years and knew a number of University employees who lived in Dixon, Vacaville, Winters, and Woodland.

[sav858]

Originally Posted by WizardOfRadical

Most people who live in Davis (and are not students) do not work at the college. They commute into Sacramento, as Davis does not offer the higher incomes one needs to afford to live in Davis. And most people who work at the college do not live in Davis. They live in Sacramento, as the jobs at the college typically do not pay enough for one to live in Davis.

The University offers 28,000 jobs, so more people actually commute in from Sac vs people commuting to Sac. Though I suspect if Davis actually addressed the demand for housing it would be a bit more of an even keel.

So it might not be as traditional an exurb as Vacaville, but it's pretty much an exurban part of the Sac Region none the less. That's not really "self contained" like say, Chico. Outside of students and faculty, most people don't really spend the whole time "in town".

You see the same thing in college towns like Ann Arbor, MI. They draw more commuters than they put out, but it is still part of the Detroit metro.

Even if most people in Davis commuted to Sacramento (they don't FYI) it still doesn't fit the definition of an exurb. It's not far from Sac's downtown and not beyond any suburbs really.

71% of Davis residents work in Yolo County, so unless you think the majority of residents are commuting to Woodland for jobs most residents of Davis work in town. That's not an exurb or commuter town at all. You probably should maybe look up the definition since you don't seem to understand what an "exurb" is, which is not surprising since I've seen you misuse the term "bedroom community" as well.

[WizardOfRadical]

Originally Posted by sav858

Even if most people in Davis commuted to Sacramento (they don't FYI) it still doesn't fit the definition of an exurb. It's not far from Sac's downtown and not beyond any suburbs really.

71% of Davis residents work in Yolo County, so unless you think the majority of residents are commuting to Woodland for jobs most residents of Davis work in Davis. That's not an exurb or commuter town at all. You probably should maybe look up the definition since you don't seem to understand what an "exurb" is, which is not surprising since I've seen you misuse the term "bedroom community" as well.

No, many of those commuters are going to job centers in West Sacramento, which is in Yolo county. Though some may be going to Woodland for County jobs and such. I don't recall calling Davis a commuter town, in fact I noted it pulls in more commuters than it puts out.

Though again, your lack of familiarity with the Sacramento region is duly noted.

As for looking up the definition of exurb, maybe you should take your own advice. And try not to be so bay area about it, no need to over analyze the definition. It's pretty simple.

Exurb | Definition of exurb by Merriam-Webster

Definition of EXURB

: a region or settlement that lies outside a city and usually beyond its suburbs and that often is inhabited chiefly by well-to-do families
— ex·ur·ban

\ek-ˈsər-bən; eg-ˈzər-, ig-\ adjective

Well by golly, it sounds like Davis is a text book definition of exurb. A settlement outside the city? Check. Beyond the cities suburbs? Check Well to do? Check.

Maybe you should try using a dictionary instead of Wikipedia for your definitions, LOLOLOL.

[sav858]

Originally Posted by WizardOfRadical

No, many of those commuters are going to job centers in West Sacramento, which is in Yolo county. Though some may be going to Woodland for County jobs and such. I don't recall calling Davis a commuter town, in fact I noted it pulls in more commuters than it puts out.

Though again, your lack of familiarity with the Sacramento region is duly noted.

As for looking up the definition of exurb, maybe you should take your own advice. And try not to be so bay area about it, no need to over analyze the definition. It's pretty simple.

Exurb | Definition of exurb by Merriam-Webster

So now West Sacramento is some big employment center for Davis residents? Yeah I'm sure Ikea and some warehousing jobs are really provided the salaries needed to live in Davis....

Exurbs are farther away from the urban core/downtown and less self-contained than Davis is.