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Old 02-21-2016, 05:43 AM
 
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I don't intend to offend people who live in and/or like Sacramento. I've lived in places that are less than ideal and yet had love for that place for any number of reasons. I'm sure Sacramento has its virtues. And people are often loyal to where they live and have their lives and i shouldn't be disrespectful about that.

And if someone came on the forum and said that because of school, or work, or relationship, etc., they were moving to Sacramento and needed advice about this or that, i would never speak negatively about the place. They have a reason to relocate to Sacramento and i'd never s*** on their life path. And i wouldn't try to dissuade them from moving there.

But you have a young woman who wants to move to California and doesn't really know anything about the state (or so it seems). And given her criteria (and reading between the lines a bit ... you know, intuiting, etc. .... and yeah, i may be wrong) recommending Sacramento to her is off the mark. It's misguiding her.

And each to his / her own but i'd rather live in a shack in Santa Cruz than a house in Sacramento.
And yes, i have experienced quite a few harsh northeast winters. I don't mind them. But i like snow and cold.
bottom line, op: if you move to sac without visiting first, you are a fool. Hey maybe youll like it there! The davis plan is actually not a bad one. But dont move to that area if you have typical "california dreams" in your head.
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Old 02-21-2016, 08:29 AM
 
Location: On the water.
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I like my Sac.
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Old 02-21-2016, 10:46 AM
 
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I don't intend to offend people who live in and/or like Sacramento. I've lived in places that are less than ideal and yet had love for that place for any number of reasons. I'm sure Sacramento has its virtues. And people are often loyal to where they live and have their lives and i shouldn't be disrespectful about that.

And if someone came on the forum and said that because of school, or work, or relationship, etc., they were moving to Sacramento and needed advice about this or that, i would never speak negatively about the place. They have a reason to relocate to Sacramento and i'd never s*** on their life path. And i wouldn't try to dissuade them from moving there.

But you have a young woman who wants to move to California and doesn't really know anything about the state (or so it seems). And given her criteria (and reading between the lines a bit ... you know, intuiting, etc. .... and yeah, i may be wrong) recommending Sacramento to her is off the mark. It's misguiding her.

And each to his / her own but i'd rather live in a shack in Santa Cruz than a house in Sacramento.
And yes, i have experienced quite a few harsh northeast winters. I don't mind them. But i like snow and cold.
There's a fine line between "intuiting" and projecting one's own preferences onto a post. I think it would be misleading to steer her toward Monterey or SC when she clearly has a limited budget and has stated a need for high demand for specialists in her field. Being a booster for Santa Cruz County or Monterey is fine when appropriate, but the budget limitations in this case, and other needs relating to her profession rule out the central coast. If the OP finds the rare clinic job in that area and actually gets the job, then fine, but it would take a miracle for that to happen.

The OP seems to want to get away from heavy winters, which moving to Davis or Sac would achieve. She hasn't mentioned her level of heat tolerance. But on her budget, she can't be too picky. But again, there are options in SoCal that could work; we don't need to be so focused on norCal for her.
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Old 02-21-2016, 11:20 AM
 
Location: Santa Cruz, CA
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There's a fine line between "intuiting" and projecting one's own preferences onto a post. I think it would be misleading to steer her toward Monterey or SC when she clearly has a limited budget and has stated a need for high demand for specialists in her field. Being a booster for Santa Cruz County or Monterey is fine when appropriate, but the budget limitations in this case, and other needs relating to her profession rule out the central coast. If the OP finds the rare clinic job in that area and actually gets the job, then fine, but it would take a miracle for that to happen.

The OP seems to want to get away from heavy winters, which moving to Davis or Sac would achieve. She hasn't mentioned her level of heat tolerance. But on her budget, she can't be too picky. But again, there are options in SoCal that could work; we don't need to be so focused on norCal for her.
Like i asked before where do you think the many, many people who work in Santa Cruz county at relatively low paying jobs live?
And i'm not talking about people with careers. I'm talking about the cashier at the local health food store, or the guy who works in the bike shop, etc..

I maintain that either Santa Cruz or Monterey counties will be appropriate for her if she finds a job in her field.
And yes, she will pay more for rent than if she lived in Sacramento.
Maybe, as it is for many, it'll be worth it for her. I'm willing to bet that it would be given how she expressed herself in her post.
It's my sense that her California dream doesn't involve living in a polluted not so pretty city in the central valley arrrgggghhhhhhh (It's not the heat as much as the horrible air quality! Does anyone care about that? Or realize how detrimental it is for the health of the body?)

And if you read her original post, though she says she'd like warm weather, it's not my sense that it's her main reason for leaving the northeast!
She expresses the fact that she feels stuck in a crap / dead end place and you think she wants to move to Sacramento?!

If she finds a job in her field and is making what she says she's "worth" at this point in her career she'll be making 40-50K. If i did my math correctly she'll have, at least, a little more than $3,300 a month. We're no longer living in the days when you made sure your rent was no more than a weeks worth of your monthly income. If she wants to live on or near the coast she's going to have to pay a bit more rent than she expects to. That's life on the California coast but with a salary of at least $40K, she, as a young, single woman absolutely can make it work in either Santa Cruz or Monterey county.

And until she visits Sacramento and lets c-d-f know that she likes Sacramento and wants to live there, i will continue my sac dissuasion "crusade". Or not .... it may get old if this continues.
And i may be mis-reading her but that doesn't mean that i'm projecting. Grok that distinction if you will. I just don't get the sense that she wants to move 3000 miles to the other side of the country to end up in the central valley of California. If i'm wrong, i'm wrong.

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Old 02-21-2016, 12:32 PM
 
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I'm from NY and moved to Sacramento area 5 years ago. I LOVE Sac. I recommend if you like the outdoors. The Midtown area is young and hip with tons of great restaurants, bars, and independent coffee shops. Educated population (CA government workers/politicians). Coming from NY you will LOVE the weather. Winters are pretty much non existent, can go bike riding or hiking in January, you can escape to Napa wine country in an hour or SF, close to Tahoe if you like mountain hikes or skiing. Weekly "art walks" good museums, fresh produce.

A change of job has taken me to SoCal (an hour outside LA) which is also great but I miss Sac.

CA is more than just the narrow strip of coastal land in San diego and LA.
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Old 02-21-2016, 12:33 PM
 
Location: Santa Cruz, CA
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I'm from NY and moved to Sacramento area 5 years ago. I LOVE Sac. I recommend if you like the outdoors. The Midtown area is young and hip with tons of great restaurants, bars, and independent coffee shops. Educated population (CA government workers/politicians). Coming from NY you will LOVE the weather. Winters are pretty much non existent, can go bike riding or hiking in January, you can escape to Napa wine country in an hour or SF, close to Tahoe if you like mountain hikes or skiing. Weekly "art walks" good museums, fresh produce.

A change of job has taken me to SoCal (an hour outside LA) which is also great but I miss Sac.

CA is more than just the narrow strip of coastal land in San diego and LA.
There ya go o.p. Your fellow New Yorker has spoken. Sacramento awaits you.
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Old 02-21-2016, 12:39 PM
 
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I agree that the central coast would be great for her if she finds a job, and I've stated that as an alternative for the OP to consider (working for someone else vs. setting up her own practice) in order to get into a more ideal location. But that's an important distinction. She's said that she wants to start her own practice, in which case it would be much easier (as she herself has indicated she knows) in areas with a larger population. She's also very realistic about what rent she can afford. Many landlords won't take renters who are spending half their income or close to it on rent. That needs to be considered.

The lower-income workers in those coastal towns either have a working spouse/partner, or live in shared situations, or were able to grab the few affordable places available in the area, and are hanging on for dear life. The option of living in a shared household has also been mentioned to the OP.

Sac wouldn't be dead-end for the OP, providing much more opportunity for eventually setting up a private practice than small towns would. Combined with living in Davis, it could be ideal (depending on heat tolerance). Bear in mind, though, that the OP may opt for SoCal anyway. The Ventura/Oxnard area could be best for the OP.
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Old 02-21-2016, 01:07 PM
 
Location: Santa Cruz, CA
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I agree that the central coast would be great for her if she finds a job, and I've stated that as an alternative for the OP to consider (working for someone else vs. setting up her own practice) in order to get into a more ideal location. But that's an important distinction. She's said that she wants to start her own practice, in which case it would be much easier (as she herself has indicated she knows) in areas with a larger population. She's also very realistic about what rent she can afford. Many landlords won't take renters who are spending half their income or close to it on rent. That needs to be considered.


The lower-income workers in those coastal towns either have a working spouse/partner, or live in shared situations, or were able to grab the few affordable places available in the area, and are hanging on for dear life. The option of living in a shared household has also been mentioned to the OP.

Despite my previously stated intention to continue my crusade on behalf of the o.p., i'm getting tired of this.

I live here. I live in S.C. county. I've lived here for many years. I'm not speaking theoretically. I'm speaking from experience / first hand knowledge. You speak emphatically and say things that aren't true.

I have a friend who works at New Leaf and has a nice little cabin of her own in Bonnie Doon. Another friend of mine (a gardener / landscaper) lives in a yurt on a really nice property in Soquel. Another friend of mine (supported by an ex but receives only 25K a year) lives in a nice little studio on 4 acres of garden with lamas and has use of the hot-tub and she can eat anything she wants from their garden whenever she wants. That's also in Soquel. Another friend of mine works at a retreat center and gets an o.k. salary but has free room and board. I could go on.

And there are quite a few co-housing situations that aren't just suitable for young college kids. There are responsible co-housing situations that are made up of career people and often they're on extremely nice properties. A group of professionals will get together and have the financial capacity to rent something really sweet and, sometimes even luxurious.

This is a very creative area and it's also an area where even conventional people find themselves in unconventional but totally workable and enjoyable life situations.

I know that she can live in either S.C. or Monterey county if she finds work in her field. I've said that enough. Yes, rent will be more expensive and, unless she gets lucky (which is quite possible), it'll take some patience and time to find a good living space. She may have to move around a bit. She'll need to be open and flexible.
If living on / near the coast in the Monterey bay area (which is quite large if you take into account both counties!) is worth it to her, she'll be able to make it work. So many do.
And if she has good credit and a solid job making 40-50K she'll be able to rent a place in either county.
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Old 02-21-2016, 01:16 PM
 
Location: Northern California
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But you have a young woman who wants to move to California and doesn't really know anything about the state (or so it seems). And given her criteria (and reading between the lines a bit ... you know, intuiting, etc. .... and yeah, i may be wrong) recommending Sacramento to her is off the mark. It's misguiding her.

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Maybe its people like you that are doing the misguiding.. If you think California is all sun, surf, blond hair, blue eyes individuals that live lavish lifestyles then you have it all wrong. You're portraying a perception that is not at all with reality. Santa Cruz and the other coastal towns and cities sure seem nice but it really isn't the quinessential lifestyle that most Californians abide by. I wouldn't want to move there just for the priviledge of living there. You have to be practical.

The OP suggested she wants to live in a affordable city/metro on a salary between 40-50K. That won't cut it in Santa Cruz, much less in San Francisco and Los Angeles. That being said, if she can get a high paying salary, then by all means move to the coast.

Whereas in Sacramento she can get a nice studio apartment in the heart of the city, in Midtown, a liberal neighborhood where there's a significant portion of young professionals working in a variety of fields besides government.

I don't understand your beef with Sacramento. Maybe a very bad experience or the fact that you're a coastal Californian that doesn't venture east of the 101. But its a decent city that is super diverse with really down-to-earth people. Personally, I think Sacramento is a good introduction to California.

I'm not suggesting she should move here because its far from perfect but it most certainly fits her criteria, as does San Diego and the East Bay.

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Old 02-21-2016, 01:28 PM
 
Location: On the water.
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Amusing. The back and forth here. I happen to like Sac, as I mentioned before, tongue-in-cheek, but also really.

On the other hand, Bluesky is also correct when she points out there are creative ways to live quite pleasantly in SC and Monterey counties on modest to low salary.

Hell, I can live (and did until very recently) in SF on $40-$50k annual.

The key is picking your lifestyle goals. If you want to buy a home on that salary range you won't be able in SF, Santa Cruz, Monterey - or in Sacramento either.

Figure the best way to enjoy life while you can with what you've got to work with. Wherever you are / go.
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