Is California doing so well that they can provide $15/hr minimum wage? (2013, credit)

[2sleepy]

Originally Posted by mysticaltyger

No, it isn't. Unfortunately, we've let our emotions overrule our brains. We also want quick fixes that feel good and require little effort, or require someone else besides ourselves to put forth effort. As this article on the subject stated: [favoring a $15 minimum wgae] simply reflect[s] the human tendency to be impressed by evidence that confirms our beliefs and reject[s] information that challenges them. "We see what we want to see," economist and author Tim Harford wrote in a recent column.
The $15 Minimum Wage Will Kill Jobs. Should You Care? - Bloomberg

Why did you only quote that part of your link? Did you even read this?

"In 2014, were advocating raising the floor to $10.10 an hour by this year. That's a far cry from $15.

Now you tell me WHERE is the minimum wage rising to $15 an hour next year because that is what the author of the article is insinuating. In California the minimum wage will be $10.50 in 2017, it won't reach $15 an hour for 6 years.

[RMESMH]

Originally Posted by Tulemutt

There really is no disputing the hard factual data I and Elliot and sleepy have supplied, tyger. The minimum-wage fast food industry continues to employ and yet profit at much higher wages in markets elsewhere. The profits are very substantial, leaving plenty of room for the increases.

But that doesn't address the moral question of whether government forcing the issue is right or wrong. Sure, it's legal....sailed through the legislature, Moonbeam signed it, and everyone will have to abide by it...but whether a business can afford the increase or not isn't the point. Neither is what is happening in other markets. The moral issue of whether government should be butting into this issue at all is the point. A difference of opinion on the shape of the moral question...you, Elliot, and sleepy are on one side, and others among us are on the other side. Likely any of us will change our views on this particular subject?....I doubt it.

[expatCA]

Originally Posted by RMESMH

But that doesn't address the moral question of whether government forcing the issue is right or wrong. Sure, it's legal....sailed through the legislature, Moonbeam signed it, and everyone will have to abide by it...but whether a business can afford the increase or not isn't the point. Neither is what is happening in other markets. The moral issue of whether government should be butting into this issue at all is the point. A difference of opinion on the shape of the moral question...you, Elliot, and sleepy are on one side, and others among us are on the other side. Likely any of us will change our views on this particular subject?....I doubt it.

And some are on both sides.

[Ceece]

It may weed out some people/places for sure, but seeing as how it's going to take 6-7 years to get to $15 it's hard to say what impact it will have. We may even see some adjustments and exceptions before then. If I've learned anything in life it's that there are always loopholes.

[nslander]

Somebody is actually trying to argue that setting a minimum wage is...immoral.

FFS. Morality is even unnecessary to the calculus of the 13th Amendment. Of course, when they lost the politial and cultural battles that ultimately yielded child labor laws, those people resorted to their own sense of "morality" as well.
Nothing new here.

[vdy1985]

Automation will solve this problem for businesses.

[expatCA]

Originally Posted by Ceece

It may weed out some people/places for sure, but seeing as how it's going to take 6-7 years to get to $15 it's hard to say what impact it will have. We may even see some adjustments and exceptions before then. If I've learned anything in life it's that there are always loopholes.

At that slow a rate it will change little and help ........... no one. Why are we not hearing the Governor say that the $15.00 minimum wage is an illusion for several years? Humm, maybe because it is an election year and they are trying to stack the deck without really doing anything?

[hartford_renter]

Originally Posted by 04kL4nD

I certainly can't speak for all Californians, but I am personally dying to hear from those who don't even live here about what they think will happen.

We think you're a bunch of idiots

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by hartford_renter

We think you're a bunch of idiots

Good to hear. I'd imagine then we won't be seeing anything of you all in the future? You'll all stop coming here in droves?

[Motion]

How will $15 min wage affect prices?




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