Gov Brown Signs $15 CA min wage law RIP California Businesses (Los Angeles: low income, apartment)

[CaliRestoration]

Originally Posted by 2sleepy

I thought you were brighter than that.

(in Nazi Germany) Labor unions were abolished and strikes outlawed; all workers were joined together in the National Socialist Labor Front. Doctors, lawyers, and other professionals were also forced into National Socialist organizations. Publishing houses were put under Nazi control, and literature by Jewish authors or advocating democracy or socialism were banned. Hitler and National Socialism

Uh, so are you trying to prove my point? Those are all things a strong socialist leadership would be expected to do.

The more and more you speak about socialism, the more you expose that you don't really know what it is...

[2sleepy]

Originally Posted by CaliRestoration

Uh, so are you trying to prove my point? Those are all things a strong socialist leadership would do.

The more and more you speak about socialism, the more you expose that you don't really know what it is...

You like to fight just for the sake of fighting that's pretty obvious. Here is an explanation of the difference between socialism and communism. I'm not going to continue to engage you on this subject.

What is the difference between Communism and Socialism? | Investopedia

[CaliRestoration]

Originally Posted by 2sleepy

You like to fight just for the sake of fighting that's pretty obvious. Here is an explanation of the difference between socialism and communism. I'm not going to continue to engage you on this subject.

What is the difference between Communism and Socialism? | Investopedia

LOL

Your own link supports MY viewpoint and contradicts yours!

From your own link:

Communism and socialism are economic and political structures that promote equality and seek to eliminate social classes.

In theory, socialism and communism sound appealing, with everyone doing their share and working together to provide for the greater good. Each utilizes a planned production schedule to ensure the needs of all community members are met. They are utopian economic structures that some countries have tried; however, most have failed or become dictatorships, making reform nearly impossible.

The only REAL difference, and I'll tell you the difference since you don't actually know what is it, is that Communism is the end 'stage' of a socialist construct, where the character of the state changes from cooperation with the public to dictatorial. That is literally the ONLY difference between the two systems, and the difference easily changes depending on who is in charge, literally one or two people as the 20th century has shown us.

Seriously, go back to community college (you say you're retired) and take a basic government and civics class, or go online and view some Prager university videos for free. I'm not telling you this to "fight" or "argue" like you always claim, I'm trying to help you get more educated about the topics you think you know about.

[SanSav]

Originally Posted by CaliRestoration

I'm not telling you this to "fight" or "argue" like you always claim, I'm trying to help you get more educated about the topics you think you know about.

uhhhhh, yeahhh, suurrre

[DriveNotCommute]

Originally Posted by Finper

I don't have time to research it I'm trying to run a business and survive here in so cal. I just heard it on the radio and thought it was interesting. They said a guy was offered a raise and promotion and turned it down because he would lose child care and child care costs here will make you faint. Then they said the same will happen when the min wage is increased.

Originally Posted by Finper

I just heard on the radio that some min wage workers don't want it to raise to 15.00 because they get free child care from the state which will end if there income bracket rises. What a catch 22!!! So it seems 15.00 per hour hurts the owners and employees. Crazy California strikes again

Isn't this good? Raise the minimum wage enough to boot people off of welfare child care. We'll just pay for it a decade down the road when those kids have become young adults with antisocial tendencies and driver's licenses.

Originally Posted by jm1982

I'll explain it .

When a menu item is $10 and then in a year or less it's $11 for example that's a 10% increase .

Prices will be increasing by a big percentage .
Risky little experiment liberals in CA are playing .

An increase that can be completely explained by changes to raw materials prices, which themselves are often affected by the price of oil.

Government action in the U.S. is often (and quite appropriately) the minimum possible because it happens only after the population has felt enough pressures to complain not just to each other, but directly to the government. And befitting of a democracy, are allowed to complain unlike in an authoritarian state. Meanwhile, that government serves not just populist sentiment but also has incentives to keep the status quo. Hence produce actions that are just enough to quiet the protestors without really fixing the root cause of the problem, and at the same time manage to make everybody on all sides angry.

In other words, there wouldn't be so many people complaining about the minimum wage if businesses (as a whole, ie. the economy) had offered enough jobs with high enough wages to keep them quiet. With the cost savings of keeping the minimum wage repressed, there is no way that would actually open up any sizable number of new jobs. At best it would only slow the decline in the numbers of available low-paying jobs. I don't see much of a plus in not increasing the minimum wage to partially make up for years of inflation that were missed.

Pro business folks are great at calculating amortization, depreciation, estimating changes based on futures prices. But when it comes to talking about employee wages, it is my observation that inflation is never considered as a factor and if they had it their way, they would pay 1970s wages in 2017. All this despite a pretty consistent position against the Federal Reserve and their understanding about the increased money supply and the inflationary effects it would have.

This discrepancy makes little sense. The money supply is already changed, therefore macroeconomic conditions are not the same as it was in 1970. People work to earn a living but some folks' definition of "living" suggests that they don't want to import illegal immigrants but actually to bring in wholesale 3rd Tier Nation levels of quality of life into the United States. If our current market prices for goods and services are sustained by suppressing wages, that is arguably a distortion of a true free market.

[expatCA]

Originally Posted by calirestoration

lol

your own link supports my viewpoint and contradicts yours!

From your own link:


communism and socialism are economic and political structures that promote equality and seek to eliminate social classes.


the only real difference, and i'll tell you the difference since you don't actually know what is it, is that communism is the end 'stage' of a socialist construct, where the character of the state changes from cooperation with the public to dictatorial. That is literally the only difference between the two systems, and the difference easily changes depending on who is in charge, literally one or two people as the 20th century has shown us.

Seriously, go back to community college (you say you're retired) and take a basic government and civics class, or go online and view some prager university videos for free. I'm not telling you this to "fight" or "argue" like you always claim, i'm trying to help you get more educated about the topics you think you know about.

:d:d:d:d:d:d

[honobob]

Originally Posted by jm1982

Only problem is those "greedy" min wage employers are necessary for min wage employees to find work .

If they had engineering or computer science degrees they'd be working at Google or Tesla .

Therefore you are saying these min wage workers will have to move out of CA away from family and friends just so they can find a job ?

I thought that was the whole point of the $15 wage law , see how it will backfire now?

No, you are missing my whole point. Minimum wage jobs are for TEENAGERS. There should be no employment of people that are not teenagers at a rate that has to be artificially supported BECAUSE people want to make a living doing jobs that a teenager can do.

[RaymondChandlerLives]

Originally Posted by expatCA

The USSR was a Socialist State.

Union of Soviet Socialist Republics

In related news, the Democratic People's Republic of Korea is like totally a democracy! It says so right there in the name.

[CA4Now]

"Does a higher minimum wage pay off?"

That new Seattle study is a big problem for fans of a higher minimum wage

[2sleepy]

Originally Posted by CA4Now

"Does a higher minimum wage pay off?"

That new Seattle study is a big problem for fans of a higher minimum wage

the full title of the article is actually: That new Seattle study is a big problem for fans of a higher minimum wage — or is it? It looks like there are some competing studies with opposite conclusions so until the University of Washington study is peer reviewed it would be difficult to accept it's findings. It looks like at this point it has more critics than supporters, from your link:

• It’s difficult to reverse course and flatly declare the latest findings erroneous, as many in the minimum wage camp did almost immediately. “Their findings are not credible and drawing inferences from the report [is] unwarranted,” asserted UC Berkeley economist Michael Reich, who had issued a report on the Seattle initiative just days earlier, finding opposite effects — “Wages in food services did increase. … Employment in food service, however, was not affected.”
• At the pro-labor Economic Policy Institute, Ben Zipperer and John Schmitt stated that the Washington paper suffered from data and methodological problems “that bias the study in the direction of finding job loss, even where there may have been no job loss at all.” And Jared Bernstein of the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities and former chief economist to Vice President Joe Biden, judiciously pronounced the study “curious” and observed, as did other critics, that its findings are way out of line with other research on the minimum wage’s employment effects. It’s unwise, Bernstein said, to come to conclusions “based on one extreme outlier study with some eyebrow-raising quirks.”

Here's a link to the Berkeley study that reaches a different conclusion: http://irle.berkeley.edu/files/2017/...es-2015-16.pdf