Gov Brown Signs $15 CA min wage law RIP California Businesses (Sacramento: loans, house prices)

[jm1982]

After the pro crowd constantly claiming raising the wage wouldn't have negative effects
Effect will be a lot worse in Los Angeles because we have more low wage earners .

It was risky and irresponsible for the city and state to pass this $15 wage law
Based simply on emotion and union pressures .
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“Los Angeles should be alarmed by this,” said Edward Leamer, an economist at UCLA. Seattle is packed to the gills with high earners, he said, and is the type of city that economists expect to weather minimum wage increases better than most.

In Seattle, the average hourly wage is about $36, compared with $28 in Los Angeles, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics.

“A high minimum wage in Los Angeles is likely to do more harm because you have more minority, low-pay, low-skill workers,” said David Neumark, an economist at UC Irvine.

Minimum wage fight may heat up after new study finds jobs and hours fell in Seattle - LA Times

[expatCA]

Originally Posted by jm1982

After the pro crowd constantly claiming raising the wage wouldn't have negative effects
Effect will be a lot worse in Los Angeles because we have more low wage earners .

It was risky and irresponsible for the city and state to pass this $15 wage law
Based simply on emotion and union pressures .
--
“Los Angeles should be alarmed by this,” said Edward Leamer, an economist at UCLA. Seattle is packed to the gills with high earners, he said, and is the type of city that economists expect to weather minimum wage increases better than most.

In Seattle, the average hourly wage is about $36, compared with $28 in Los Angeles, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics.

“A high minimum wage in Los Angeles is likely to do more harm because you have more minority, low-pay, low-skill workers,” said David Neumark, an economist at UC Irvine.

Minimum wage fight may heat up after new study finds jobs and hours fell in Seattle - LA Times

And those in favor of the raise are trying to find ways to discredit the study.

[jm1982]

This will hurt those the liberals claim to care about the poor and low income and immigrants too
It likely won't hurt the mega corporations like McDonald's much because they will be able to automate .
Small mom and pops won't be able to afford to invest in automation .

[seain dublin]

Originally Posted by jm1982

This will hurt those the liberals claim to care about the poor and low income and immigrants too
It likely won't hurt the mega corporations like McDonald's much because they will be able to automate .
Small mom and pops won't be able to afford to invest in automation .

Well that's been the plan all along. All these idiots out demonstrating because their fast food job can't support their family of four(these jobs were never meant to do that) don't seem to get that most of them will be replaced by machines. The wage will go up and the number of employees will drop drastically.

I notice even my local Target is trying to get customers to do self check out.

So you have a few humans at McDonalds for $15 an hour and the rest are machines.

You're right about the mom and pops.

[jm1982]

Originally Posted by seain dublin

Well that's been the plan all along. All these idiots out demonstrating because their fast food job can't support their family of four(these jobs were never meant to do that) don't seem to get that most of them will be replaced by machines. The wage will go up and the number of employees will drop drastically.

I notice even my local Target is trying to get customers to do self check out.

So you have a few humans at McDonalds for $15 an hour and the rest are machines.

You're right about the mom and pops.

I was in France in 2015 and noticed that they had the kiosks and seemed like they had fewer employees than the average McDonald's in the USA

Also they seemed to take longer to get your food so that's something we would probably have to deal with too

Customer is basically getting less for more money .

[njbiodude]

Here in coastal california in and out burger already pays entry level burger flippers $14/hr. McDonalds and the like hire mostly part time staff so I see no reason to worry. Most probably make near $15/hr any how.

CA isnt successful due to crappy food service companies. Its the major tech/medical/aviation/entertainment/venture capital industries which pay *far more* than $15/hr. Hell janitors at these big tech companies probably make $18/hr.

Most local foreign burrito joints are already mostly family owned around here and dont hire many if any wait staff. In nice resturaunts waiters make far more than $15/hr.

[Elliott_CA]

In Jan. 2013, California's unemployment rate was 12.1% while the minimum wage was $8.00/hr.

In May 2017, California's unemployment rate was 4.7% while the minimum wage was $10.50/hr.

Raising the minimum wage didn't kill jobs; the opposite occurred, it seemed to have created them. There's no data to support that, so it's fair to say that raising the minimum wage did not hurt employment. That backs up a lot of national studies that came to the same conclusion.

[expatCA]

Originally Posted by Elliott_CA

In Jan. 2013, California's unemployment rate was 12.1% while the minimum wage was $8.00/hr.

In May 2017, California's unemployment rate was 4.7% while the minimum wage was $10.50/hr.

Raising the minimum wage didn't kill jobs; the opposite occurred, it seemed to have created them. There's no data to support that, so it's fair to say that raising the minimum wage did not hurt employment. That backs up a lot of national studies that came to the same conclusion.

Minimum wages do not increase jobs. Remember CA has the highest poverty rate in the Country and the wage increase did not help that.

[njbiodude]

Originally Posted by expatCA

Minimum wages do not increase jobs. Remember CA has the highest poverty rate in the Country and the wage increase did not help that.

Thats because in san francisco you need to make $25/hr to rent an apartment with a roommate. Maybe more. And many jobs even there dont pay that

[RMESMH]

Originally Posted by njbiodude

Here in coastal california in and out burger already pays entry level burger flippers $14/hr. McDonalds and the like hire mostly part time staff so I see no reason to worry. Most probably make near $15/hr any how.

CA isnt successful due to crappy food service companies. Its the major tech/medical/aviation/entertainment/venture capital industries which pay *far more* than $15/hr. Hell janitors at these big tech companies probably make $18/hr.

Most local foreign burrito joints are already mostly family owned around here and dont hire many if any wait staff. In nice resturaunts waiters make far more than $15/hr.

In-N-Out is different from other fast food chains. Ultimately, shareholders, a board of directors, etc. don't have to be satisfied. The company is privately held, owned by one woman, Lynsi Snyder.