global warming affecting California's coastal waters? (home, assessment, trains)

[Matadora]

Originally Posted by expatCA

It isn't just CO2 that is the problem. Did you bother to read the info on the links?

First I never said that it was just CO2 that is the problem. I was correcting the inaccuracies that you and many others say when you try to blame the high levels of CO2 on volcanoes.

[expatCA]

Originally Posted by Matadora

First I never said that it was just CO2 that is the problem. I was correcting the inaccuracies that you and many others say when you try to blame the high levels of CO2 on volcanoes.

The CO2 from volcanoes under water is ignored. I will agree saying a single volcano is erroneous. Yes man does a LOT, but man is not the cause, just a contributor to what has been going on for a long time and is getting worse. If we quit burning fossil fuels, it would help a bit, but it would not change things. The earth is going through a degradation at this point, just as we have had mini ice ages in the past. I agree man is doing great damage, however it is unlikely to stop any time soon as there is no way to stop the use of those things that cause CO2 to enter the atmosphere. It is getting worse.


Volcanic activity within the last 10,000 years | Health Intelligence

[Matadora]

^^^^ You are not making any sense and yes all volcanic CO2 is indeed accounted for. I will re-post and please read exactly what I am saying. Did you miss this part? Our studies show that globally, volcanoes on land and under the sea release a total of about 200 million tonnes of CO2 annually.

*CO2 from volcanoes is a different CO2 from what we find when burning gas and oil.

Volcanic CO2 has its own unique fingerprint as does Human produced CO2 via burning coal, oil and gas.

Volcanic CO2 is heavier. We can distinguish between the two when we look at them at the atomic level.

The measured amount of Human produced CO2 output tallies the true measured concentrations that we are seeing which are out of control.

Gas studies at volcanoes worldwide have helped volcanologists tally up a global volcanic CO2 budget in the same way that nations around the globe have cooperated to determine how much CO2 is released by human activity through the burning of fossil fuels. Our studies show that globally, volcanoes on land and under the sea release a total of about 200 million tonnes of CO2 annually.

This seems like a huge amount of CO2, but a visit to the U.S. Department of Energy's Carbon Dioxide Information Analysis Center (CDIAC) website (Carbon Dioxide Information Analysis Cente) helps anyone armed with a handheld calculator and a high school chemistry text put the volcanic CO2 tally into perspective. Because while 200 million tonnes of CO2 is large, the global fossil fuel CO2 emissions for 2003 tipped the scales at 26.8 billion tonnes.

Thus, not only does volcanic CO2 not dwarf that of human activity, it actually comprises less than 1 percent of that value.


Carbon Dioxide Information Analysis Center

[sourdough]

Yell, Fire! people understand the danger and agree Yell, Global Warming !, not so much …..
Canada fire: This looks like climate change - CNN.com

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by expatCA

The CO2 from volcanoes under water is ignored. I will agree saying a single volcano is erroneous. Yes man does a LOT, but man is not the cause, just a contributor to what has been going on for a long time and is getting worse. If we quit burning fossil fuels, it would help a bit, but it would not change things. The earth is going through a degradation at this point, just as we have had mini ice ages in the past. I agree man is doing great damage, however it is unlikely to stop any time soon as there is no way to stop the use of those things that cause CO2 to enter the atmosphere. It is getting worse.


Volcanic activity within the last 10,000 years | Health Intelligence

Expat, and all other doubters, deniers, and minimizers: any review of the earth's forensic natural history that measures climate changes shows cycles and changes and variations ongoing - including LARGE cyclic swings. NO short-term change EVER shows the extraordinary, unparalled spikes that precisely coincide with human industrial age.

There is nothing new about volcanic activity above or below the oceans. It has been accounted for.

[expatCA]

Originally Posted by Tulemutt

Expat, and all other doubters, deniers, and minimizers: any review of the earth's forensic natural history that measures climate changes shows cycles and changes and variations ongoing - including LARGE cyclic swings. NO short-term change EVER shows the extraordinary, unparalled spikes that precisely coincide with human industrial age.

There is nothing new about volcanic activity above or below the oceans. It has been accounted for.

Go back and look at the chart, the increase in volcanic eruptions started well before the industrial age. I am also not a denier of either the climate change situation or man's contribution to it. I am pointing out it started well before man's contribution did and while man is contributing to it, the problem is beyond just man. It also isn't all about just CO2

[Matadora]

Humans emit 100 times more CO2 than volcanoes.

The solid Earth contains a huge quantity of carbon, far more than scientists estimate is present in the atmosphere or oceans. As an important part of the global carbon cycle, some of this carbon is slowly released from the rocks in the form of carbon dioxide, through vents at volcanoes and hot springs. Published reviews of the scientific literature by Mörner and Etiope (2002) and Kerrick (2001) report a minimum-maximum range of emission of 65 to 319 million tonnes of CO2 per year. Counter claims that volcanoes, especially submarine volcanoes, produce vastly greater amounts of CO2 than these estimates are not supported by any papers published by the scientists who study the subject.

Do volcanoes emit more CO2 than humans?

[Matadora]

The Mount Pinatubo eruption emitted 42 million tonnes of CO2 (Gerlach et al 1996). Compare this to human emissions in 1991: 23 billion tonnes of CO2 (CDIAC). The strongest eruption over the last half-century amounted to 0.2% of human CO2 emissions in that year.




Do volcanoes emit more CO2 than humans?

[SOON2BNSURPRISE]

Originally Posted by Ruth4Truth

The EU didn't get their info from Al Gore or other political operatives. The US is the only country blowing the issue off as a "hoax". That should tell you something.

The EU loves to control people thru use of Socialistic and Communistic regimes, the kind of people that we still have in this nation of ours that now call themselves Environmentalist and other cool names.

Facts are out there on the Earth's warming and cooling trends.

Global Warming:A Chilling Perspective

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by SOON2BNSURPRISE

The EU loves to control people thru use of Socialistic and Communistic regimes, the kind of people that we still have in this nation of ours that now call themselves Environmentalist and other cool names.

Facts are out there on the Earth's warming and cooling trends.

Global Warming:A Chilling Perspective

Someone needs to look up the definitions of:
socialistic
communistic
and regimes
because none of them are present in Europe.

Wouldn't hurt to look up Climate Change as well.