Jamba Juice leaving Ca for Texas (Huntington Beach, San Mateo: apartment complexes, renters, limousine)

[radiolibre99]

I thought we were number 8 largest economy in the world? That's impressive but still says nothing of how that translates into overall economic well being for all, Tule Mutt. You addressing that we are the best and chest pumping that we attract the most is just ego, man. Texas is 12th and 2nd in the nation and has different policies that provide for a lower cost of living for most while still impressively being one of the top world economies.
The only answers I get from you about that are these Grizzly Man neo-Malthusian Ted Kazinski type rants about the sustainability of consumer society or adapt to the change and get creative like drive an uber or rent a room in your house, gig economy. I mean it beats driving in your soccer mom van to your humid cookie cutter master planned community in Plano, right? That kills the soul, right? You're supposed to be out in the natural environment, man! Peace of mind/quality of life > practical living, eh?

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by radiolibre99

I thought we were number 8 largest economy in the world? That's impressive but still says nothing of how that translates into overall economic well being for all, Tule Mutt. You addressing that we are the best and chest pumping that we attract the most is just ego, man. Texas is 12th and 2nd in the nation and has different policies that provide for a lower cost of living for most while still impressively being one of the top world economies.
The only answers I get from you about that are these Grizzly Man neo-Malthusian Ted Kazinski type rants about the sustainability of consumer society or adapt to the change and get creative like drive an uber or rent a room in your house, gig economy. I mean it beats driving in your soccer mom van to your humid cookie cutter master planned community in Plano, right? That kills the soul, right? You're supposed to be out in the natural environment, man! Peace of mind/quality of life > practical living, eh?

Interesting. You have gone from reasonably engaging in conversation a day ago to hyperbolically misrepresenting things I have said and adding much I have never said.

As I have said several times, I'm not "chest pumping" in the slightest. I am answering hyperbolic misrepresentations with true facts. Show me anything I have presented that is not entirely accurate.

There's no "ego" in this. In what way would I identify my ego with California's economy? I don't create its economy. I am not representative of its economy. I don't like or approve of its economy. That's just silly. You surprise me based on your earlier conversation level.

I also haven't presented any "neo-Malthusian" rants. That is your kinda ridiculous projection of my scientifically acknowledged observations about human over-consumption.

Ted Kazinski? Lmao. Really?

And I haven't suggested anyone drive an Uber or rent a room in their house or participate in any "gig economy". Never mentioned any of those even once or anythng similar. Quote me.

You might also pause to note that I haven't been among those who have criticized any other places in the country including Texas and Florida.

I repeat: you want to address problem issues, it is necessary to start your analysis from a position of absolute, unvarnished, non-hyperbolic truth and facts.

[radiolibre99]

Originally Posted by Tulemutt

Interesting. You have gone from reasonably engaging in conversation a day ago to hyperbolically misrepresenting things I have said and adding much I have never said.

As I have said several times, I'm not "chest pumping" in the slightest. I am answering hyperbolic misrepresentations with true facts. Show me anything I have presented that is not entirely accurate.

There's no "ego" in this. In what way would I identify my ego with California's economy? I don't create its economy. I am not representative of its economy. I don't like or approve of its economy. That's just silly. You surprise me based on your earlier conversation level.

I also haven't presented any "neo-Malthusian" rants. That is your kinda ridiculous projection of my scientifically acknowledged observations about human over-consumption.

Ted Kazinski? Lmao. Really?

And I haven't suggested anyone drive an Uber or rent a room in their house or participate in any "gig economy". Never mentioned any of those even once or anythng similar. Quote me.

You might also pause to note that I haven't been among those who have criticized any other places in the country including Texas and Florida.

I repeat: you want to address problem issues, it is necessary to start your analysis from a position of absolute, unvarnished, non-hyperbolic truth and facts.

One thing you forgot about all this; I have never once disputed your facts. They are an accurate depiction of the vitality of the California economy. My question to you is so what? What does that mean to any average person on the ground and in spite of all the higher levels of homelessness, lack of affordable housing, high welfare need, high rising costs, etc?

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by radiolibre99

One thing you forgot about all this; I have never once disputed your facts. They are an accurate depiction of the vitality of the California economy. My question to you is so what? What does that mean to any average person on the ground and in spite of all the higher levels of homelessness, lack of affordable housing, high welfare need, high rising costs, etc?

Yes. I noticed your acknowledgement of my information. It's why I thought you were capable of having an interesting conversation. Seemed to be interesting for a while at least.

Your questions have been answered. Quite in depth.

And now, the lumber for my next boat building project is arriving and I have to roll up my sleeves for that. I'll have to leave you and jm to man the barricades. Best wishes!

[nslander]

Originally Posted by radiolibre99

I thought we were number 8 largest economy in the world? That's impressive but still says nothing of how that translates into overall economic well being for all, Tule Mutt. You addressing that we are the best and chest pumping that we attract the most is just ego, man. Texas is 12th and 2nd in the nation and has different policies that provide for a lower cost of living for most while still impressively being one of the top world economies.
The only answers I get from you about that are these Grizzly Man neo-Malthusian Ted Kazinski type rants about the sustainability of consumer society or adapt to the change and get creative like drive an uber or rent a room in your house, gig economy. I mean it beats driving in your soccer mom van to your humid cookie cutter master planned community in Plano, right? That kills the soul, right? You're supposed to be out in the natural environment, man! Peace of mind/quality of life > practical living, eh?

I've engaged you in a similar discussion once, with similar futility. There's much to unpack, but you consistently return to cost of living. You allude to homeless, but its COL uber alles. It makes it difficult to suspect you don't feel entitled to not only certain real and personal property, but also where that property is located. You seem impervious to larger, self-evident forces that exist far beyond talk radio noise that help shape cost of living. Fundamental considerations, like demand and geography. Considerations that go beyond the jurisprudence, legislative or regulatory power of any individual state. But because you keep opening the door to those things unquestionably within one states' control, let's examine your own TX example. CA opted into Medicaid expansion, reducing its rate of uninsured by about 50%. At the same time, the political leaders of TX also a made deliberate decision: to ensure their citizens remain three more likely than the national average to go without health coverage.

But hey, those housing prices. Right?

This is your cue to accuse my of blindly living in a bubble, resting on our laurels, beating my chest, or some such. Nevermind that none of that even logically follows. If you have any concrete ideas as how that reduce the cost of living specifically in CA, I'm all ears. But that necessarily requires engaging in politics, and its not pretty.

[Tulemutt]

Shots fired ...

[radiolibre99]

Is this supposed to be a Texas vs CA thread? Texas has the opposite problem with their "miracle" in that all the business friendly policies might not mean much either if the new wealth doesn't translate into building better infrastructure and increase spending on some things that could help more people. I've had my debates with Texas ideologues too. And I did offer advice as to what CA should do as did others. It isn't to pit two states against each other but to draw for the best options to meet somewhere in the middle.
And yes I see it as chest pumping when ignoring that supply and demand can also be exasperated by faulty policy. It isn't just a simple case of demand and geography that hurts CA but of course the chest pumping is we are the best everyone wants to be here so it's all just simple supply vs demand. Saying its out of the planners hands and all about the desirability of the state is just pure ego. Sorry mate but this isn't just talk radio talk because they tend to be biased about one side but I at least try to get Californians to get some deeper perspective besides; "we can't help it if everyone wants to be us and live here" .

[mongozx]

While a dying smoothie brand (Jamba) tries to improve its financial situation by moving to a cheaper place, a more important (albeit small) company focused on treating brain diseases (particularly Alzheimer's) has just announced relocating to Southern California from Dallas, TX to take advantage of CA's best resources: talent and know-how.

Cerebain Biotech Announces Business Relocation into the Heart of Orange County, California | Business Wire

Declining smoothy company 10 big brands that could disappear in 2016 | fox4kc.com?

Or a cure for Alzheimer's. Hmmmmmmm.

[radiolibre99]

Originally Posted by mongozx

While a dying smoothie brand (Jamba) tries to improve its financial situation by moving to a cheaper place, a more important (albeit small) company focused on treating brain diseases (particularly Alzheimer's) has just announced relocating to Southern California from Dallas, TX to take advantage of CA's best resources: talent and know-how.

Cerebain Biotech Announces Business Relocation into the Heart of Orange County, California | Business Wire

Declining smoothy company 10 big brands that could disappear in 2016 | fox4kc.com?

Or a cure for Alzheimer's. Hmmmmmmm.

That's great but the issue of companies exporting their menial work to red states and keeping their brain power at home, or in this case a Texas company shipping its creative work to CA, has already been addressed.

[nslander]

Originally Posted by radiolibre99

Is this supposed to be a Texas vs CA thread? Texas has the opposite problem with their "miracle" in that all the business friendly policies might not mean much either if the new wealth doesn't translate into building better infrastructure and increase spending on some things that could help more people. I've had my debates with Texas ideologues too. And I did offer advice as to what CA should do as did others. It isn't to pit two states against each other but to draw for the best options to meet somewhere in the middle.

And yes I see it as chest pumping when ignoring that supply and demand can also be exasperated by faulty policy. It isn't just a simple case of demand and geography that hurts CA but of course the chest pumping is we are the best everyone wants to be here so it's all just simple supply vs demand. Saying its out of the planners hands and all about the desirability of the state is just pure ego. Sorry mate but this isn't just talk radio talk because they tend to be biased about one side but I at least try to get Californians to get some deeper perspective besides; "we can't help it if everyone wants to be us and live here" .

Ok then. Please allow us draw from your deeper perspective and identify that faulty policy as it affects housing, and explain why it should be given more so much more significance than functional capacity and demand.

I'm not the one dragging TX into this. Feel free to stop flogging it, especially when it runs counter to your narrative.

And yes, your accusations of chest thumping are pure crap. Those **** me off more than anything. They intentionally misrepresent others' opinions illogically and unfairly.