Should California implement a 2 weeks guaranteed paid vacation for all workers? (2015, schools)

[shooting4life]

Originally Posted by Cheesesteak Cravings

Now you're starting to sound sane.

My post is in line with not giving a business to provide a benefit as part of employing someone.


If government didn't tax businesses to death to hire people they would be able to pay them more and hire more people. The true cost of employment is crazy in this state.

[Electrician4you]

Originally Posted by PCALMike

Your other ally here is honest. He doesnt support child labor laws, any environmental regulations nor overtime regulations. He believes FORCING a business is down the road of communism. You on the other hand use the exact same arguments as he does so its a valid question to ask why you are not as consistent as he is.

The entire rich world has far, far more labor rights than California does. Not 2 weeks required paid vacation, the common is at least 4 or more plus many, many months of paid family and medical leave. That puts the entire rich world in the socialist/communist camp if we take you on your word.

Public schools, public roads, public libraries etc etc is something everyone gets without having EARNED it as you say. If everyone should earn their way like you say you support, then that means no public schools, public roads, libraries, vaccination programs etc etc. Everything should be privatized and those with money get it, while those without money go without. If you are true to your rhetoric that is...

The entire "rich" world isn't forcing anyone to give them vacations. They get vacations because they can support themselves to take that vacation. They aren't forcing their employers to give them that time off. Stop trying to connect the rich to communism.


In order to build a society and a country some things are going to happen no matter what. Otherwise i would build my own driveway but I couldn't drive my truck down the street because it's all muddy and impassable. Oh wait I wouldn't have a truck because I couldn't build one. If we didn't come together and build those things we most likely would be living in medival times painting ourselves blue. Btw of it wasn't for the public schools teaching people you would have no society. Privatization works when you already built a society but privatization doesn't work for everything.
Sorry but forcing a business to give you a paid vacation has nothing to do with roads, libraries, public schools or any if the things that build our society. And you're going way off the subject with all the other stuff you attempt to bring in the discussion.

And those countries you keep talking about have 2x or more the tax rate we have. I pay enough taxes as it is.

[RMESMH]

Originally Posted by PCALMike

You dont support employers being required to pay overtime and not employ child labor as well?

Moving the goalposts, baiting, and demonizing. You asked a question. He gave you an honest answer. Your reply above to his answer is materially unrelated to his answer, again demonstrating that you are uninterested in a sincere exchange that doesn't involve an attempt to demonize.

[Cheesesteak Cravings]

Originally Posted by shooting4life

My post is in line with not giving a business to provide a benefit as part of employing someone.


If government didn't tax businesses to death to hire people they would be able to pay them more and hire more people. The true cost of employment is crazy in this state.

Accountability and "free market" are near opposite sides of the spectrum. We used to have "free market" capitalism in this country. It was bloody.

But some people forget this when physical harm, or even death is unlikely at their place of work. I will take regulated capitalism any day.

[RMESMH]

Originally Posted by CSD610

People everywhere *get burned out like crazy* it is not limited to California.
If you do not like the benefits from the employer find a new employer or open your own company.
No one owes you a job or a vacation.

Exactly.

[shooting4life]

Originally Posted by Cheesesteak Cravings

Accountability and "free market" are near opposite sides of the spectrum. We used to have "free market" capitalism in this country. It was bloody.

But some people forget this when physical harm, or even death is unlikely at their place of work. I will take regulated capitalism any day.

We havnt had free market capitalism for over 100 years, when we did it was the greatest economic expansion in the nations history.

[RMESMH]

Originally Posted by PCALMike

The same can be said about overtime regulations and child labor. Why do you support these regulations on business?

You claim that the entire rich world is socialist/communist except America because they have stronger labor rights. These are insane views IMO. Something is wrong when it is unheard of for workers in California to get as much paid vacation as a truck driver or waitress in Germany.

Your words remind me of some of the things that came out of U.S. Senator George McGovern's mouth while he was in the U.S. Senate. After McGovern retired from the Senate, he opened an inn in New England. The inn went bankrupt. After the inn went bankrupt, he said that if he had known how hard it is to run a business, he might have voted differently during his career in the Senate.

[RMESMH]

Originally Posted by Cheesesteak Cravings

You must be white collar.

Why look at it as 'Us vs Them'? Why not look at everything through an entrepreneurial lens...how you might monetize any situation (other than personal/pleasure) that comes down the pike?

[RMESMH]

Originally Posted by PCALMike

They really cant and research shows it. 5 weeks paid vacation for workers in California is so rare its unheard of. Workers don't have the leverage to do it, simple as that, unlike in developed countries.

What is the point of doing such research. Could it be to flesh out a preconceived conclusion that is agenda driven? Oh no, of course not .

Workers have the ability to make decisions. They can decide to have a partner and kids. They can also decide not to. If they decide not to, they can live very frugally and save the difference between salary and expenses. Every dollar saved represents more freedom and more potential to use that freedom and those resources for even a small venture. One thing can lead to another.

BTW, the U.S. is a developed country.

[RMESMH]

Originally Posted by Electrician4you

Dude how do you go from arguing forcing a business to give a mandatory vacation to child labor laws.

Because he sees everything as digital. It's either PCALMike's correct way that he perceives all other industrialized countries run on, or it isn't. He either doesn't understand nuance, differences, and context or he just doesn't care and doesn't think any of those concepts are valid.