the great exodus. (Los Angeles, San Leandro, Industry: 2009, apartment, insurance)

[Sassberto]

Originally Posted by cobmw

My problem is that you (and those quoting wikipedia) seem to think that the media can only be biased if it has a conservative right wing slant. There is no such thing as a left wing slant - only the truth. In fact the media and its inherent left wing bias is responsible for drivng most public opinion in our country nowadays and it is sending the counrty entirely in the wrong direction.

As for global warming there is no need to discuss it further. It's a closed isssue. The scientists took a vote and decided that MMGW exists. This is what passes for scientific inquiry these days. And of course the media has promoted the fraud to the fullest.

No offense, but I don't consider myself a liberal or a conservative and that web site just looks like the ramblings of crazy people to me.

[Huckleberry3911948]

im stayin. the cat came back and he wouldn't stay away he was sitting on the porch
on the very next day the cat came back he wouldn't stay away he was sitting on the
porch on the very next day.
sing it. why? warm milk and no winter.

[grimstuff]

Originally Posted by cobmw

My problem is that you (and those quoting wikipedia) seem to think that the media can only be biased if it has a conservative right wing slant. There is no such thing as a left wing slant - only the truth. In fact the media and its inherent left wing bias is responsible for drivng most public opinion in our country nowadays and it is sending the counrty entirely in the wrong direction.

I never made any indication that the media can only be biased if it has a right-wing slant. That was an assumption you made. You baited the hook, and bit on it yourself.

I think most of us can agree that what hear is not the whole story and what we do hear may be slanted one way or another. We choose what we believe. However, the accuracy of that belief greatly reflects that amount of actual RESEARCH we personally do.

As for global warming there is no need to discuss it further. It's a closed isssue. The scientists took a vote and decided that MMGW exists. This is what passes for scientific inquiry these days. And of course the media has promoted the fraud to the fullest.

My question to you is, if you're so confident that the media is lying, and also so confident that the scientists are wrong or lying, where do you derive your belief? Do you read books written by public commentators? Is it all from your own observation? Do you review the research done by these scientists? Where do you get your news? And do you actually challenge your own biases and beliefs? Because if you don't ask yourself why and how you believe a certain way, you're not a thinking person.

EDIT: To expand on this; there are all sorts of people who put themselves on the line and document exactly how they come to a conclusion on a matter. This is built into the scientific method. Good journalism also does that (notice I said good journalism). However, people who just spout off without actually putting themselves on the line in how and where they get their information and how they draw their conlusion are worthless commentators.

[cobmw]

I too am unfamiliar with the website. It's just that the term conservative media is so far fetched as to seem absurd (at least to me). The left has a lock on the media. All the networks, all newspapers (with very few exceptions), NPR, Hollywood films, and popular music are all done with a heavy left bias. On the other side is talk radio and to some extent Fox News. So when some media is called conservative right wing my response is "it's about time".

[grimstuff]

Originally Posted by cobmw

I too am unfamiliar with the website. It's just that the term conservative media is so far fetched as to seem absurd (at least to me). The left has a lock on the media. All the networks, all newspapers (with very few exceptions), NPR, Hollywood films, and popular music are all done with a heavy left bias. On the other side is talk radio and to some extent Fox News. So when some media is called conservative right wing my response is "it's about time".

If publishing stories about how tofu makes boys gay is conservative, maybe you should read Adam Smith, James Madison, Milton Friedman, or stuff like that.

Btw, "right" and "left" are themselves over-simplifications and misrepresentations of both political orientations propigated by--you guessed it--the MEDIA.

[Sassberto]

Originally Posted by cobmw

I too am unfamiliar with the website. It's just that the term conservative media is so far fetched as to seem absurd (at least to me). The left has a lock on the media. All the networks, all newspapers (with very few exceptions), NPR, Hollywood films, and popular music are all done with a heavy left bias. On the other side is talk radio and to some extent Fox News. So when some media is called conservative right wing my response is "it's about time".

Spend some time and really read through that web site, and tell me if you think it's credible, instead of arguing over a non-point with people who aren't really even talking about the same subject you are. They posted an article on 2 days after September 11 saying that New Yorkers deserved to be bombed. Is that really worth defending to you?

[cobmw]

I read everything I can get my hands on relating to global warming (oops - now called climate change). Correct me if I'm wrong, but the entire basis for the MMGW theory (and it is an unproven theory) rests on increasing C02 levels and computer models. The one degree actual increase in temperature that we have experienced over the last 100 years is not unusual. All of the MMGW "evidence" is anectdotal such as the arctic ice cap receeding (while the antarctic cap grows - mysteriously missing from our media coverage). Do you know that there are written records from the 11th century showing grapes and citrus being grown in England? How do you explain the fact that it's too cold today to grow these crops there?

[AuburnJack]

Originally Posted by cobmw

I too am unfamiliar with the website. It's just that the term conservative media is so far fetched as to seem absurd (at least to me). The left has a lock on the media. All the networks, all newspapers (with very few exceptions), NPR, Hollywood films, and popular music are all done with a heavy left bias. On the other side is talk radio and to some extent Fox News. So when some media is called conservative right wing my response is "it's about time".

Just because you agree with it doesn't make it any more credible than the other sources you distrust so much.

I am quite familiar with WND. And Sassberto is right. It is a laughably biased and completely untrustworthy news source.

[grimstuff]

Originally Posted by cobmw

How do you explain the fact that it's too cold today to grow these crops there?

Because global climate change affects different areas differently. I presume that a warming period in the 11th Century isn't going to have the exact same effect as one today.

I'm aware of most of the weakness in the global warming theory(ies), however, I still choose to think along the lines of being "safe than sorry," in the sense that if we can alter our own behavior to make sure we arn't exacerbating an existing trend, then we should do so. Of course, this means different things to diferent people--this is where politics comes in.

One thing I have come to see is that the traditional argument of whether we can "save" the environment at the expense of our economy is garbage. The economy is not at odds with ecology. In fact, the two are intertwined, and you can't have a healthy one without the other. Simply put, in order to exploit our resources, they must be managed properly. And if we want to exploit the Earth, then i think we should stay attuned and be cautious to any changes we see. I don't see what's so incindiary about that sentiment.

[RobertsGirl]

Back to the original post: We are a middle class family. We are barely making it...truth be told, we're not making it. We're both CA natives. Born and raised in the community we still live in. However, it is NOT the same community we once loved. It's over-populated, to the max. The scenery may be beautiful, but our quality of life hinges much more heavily on many other factors besides scenery.

We're trying to get out of here, but it's difficult when it's all you know.