CALEXIT: Would you support a secession? (assessment, approval, radio)

[NextStage]

Originally Posted by expatCA

Well who would support that at a Gov't level? Those in power, the politicians, control and would control it all. Do you really think they will give up their power? I think they would keep things as they are and the Democratic Party would keep running things. Now if still a part of the US, there is a chance that could change, as this last election has show is possible.

I'm sure there would be new elections and probably a plethora of new parties as well.

[CaliRestoration]

Originally Posted by StanleysOwl

Everyone has an opinion. Few have factual knowledge to back their predictions.

I agree!

[TheGoodUsernamesWereTaken]

Originally Posted by goillini8

Maybe I said this way earlier in the thread, but California, or any state, simply can't secede, even if 100 percent of CA residents voted to. It takes the permission of the Fed government and the other States, no?

I get the political statement in saying it wants to secede, but if it sees itself as special or different, then it should just focus on being a special or different member of the US (disfunctional?) family.

No, it doesn't. If the California Republic is adamant about secession, it will happen, by peaceful means, or at the cost of bloodshed of patriots.

[expatCA]

Originally Posted by TheGoodUsernamesWereTaken

No, it doesn't. If the California Republic is adamant about secession, it will happen, by peaceful means, or at the cost of bloodshed of patriots.

Are you having fun rattling their cage again?

[Gentoo]

Originally Posted by NextStage

Here's a question though - we all know that California hasn't always been one party rule. I've long believed that elections in CA are very driven by what is happening federally at the time.

In (IMO) the highly unlikely event that CA were to seceed, does anyone think the party rule results would change to two or more? You have to keep in mind that CA≠LA+SF and that many Democrats in the state are moderate.

This is an excellent question. I know among the true secessionist, a multi party system is what they would want. One that would include the Democrats if they're still called that, Greens, Libritarians, Socialists, and even Republicans or whatever name may succeed it in an independent CA. I know the CNP has been discussing efforts to reach out to the rural counties and bring them into their movement as, even though they are Republicans, are considered real Californians just like anyone else. An independent CA could create it's own states, Jefferson finally among others who would be allowed a certain degree of self rule in a way that fits more with their way of living. Gun control for example would be left up to more regional or even local jurisdictions rather than a blanket constitutional amendment.

[Gentoo]

Originally Posted by expatCA

. Now if still a part of the US, there is a chance that could change, as this last election has show is possible.

You know you've mentioned this could change in CA before but there is a problem with that thought; over and over and OVER on these forums we keep hearing how more conservative Californians have been leaving. I believe the enigmatic drove is their preferred method of exit. If this is true, one would think that CA becoming more conservative or even moderate again would prove difficult no?

[Gentoo]

Originally Posted by goillini8

Maybe I said this way earlier in the thread, but California, or any state, simply can't secede, even if 100 percent of CA residents voted to. It takes the permission of the Fed government and the other States, no?

I get the political statement in saying it wants to secede, but if it sees itself as special or different, then it should just focus on being a special or different member of the US (disfunctional?) family.

What makes the US so special that it is not susceptible to the very same forces which gave birth to it, also under the cloak of being "illegal"? If it really mattered that a countries laws could prevent secession, most of the world's countries today would not exist.

[expatCA]

Originally Posted by Gentoo

You know you've mentioned this could change in CA before but there is a problem with that thought; over and over and OVER on these forums we keep hearing how more conservative Californians have been leaving. I believe the enigmatic drove is their preferred method of exit. If this is true, one would think that CA becoming more conservative or even moderate again would prove difficult no?

I think in general most Californians are moderate and centrist. Remember Trump won in certain cases because Dems voted for him. Hillary was voted against by the majority of the voters. People are becoming less party affiliated and more individual as the see how corrupt the whole system, including the News is.

Actually I suspect if CALEXIT were to actually become a reality, CA would be a split into 2 or even 3 States/Countries and maybe total independence for each or a "commonwealth" for military and similar. CA is not united on a 1 State/Country existence even among those favoring it, which I believe is a very small portion of the population.

[Gentoo]

Originally Posted by expatCA

I think in general most Californians are moderate and centrist. Remember Trump won in certain cases because Dems voted for him. Hillary was voted against by the majority of the voters.

Ok, here's where I'm having a problem; you're saying stuff that just isn't accurate. Hillary's vote count is almost 3 million more than Trump's and from what we've all been hearing, a big portion of that came from California. Indeed some two thirds of CA voters voted for her so I don't know how you could have possibly come to that conclusion.

I think it is the fondest wish for conservatives to hang on to the idea that most Californians are moderate or centrist. This flies in the face of them pointing out how much the state isn't. The majority of the legislator are not centrist and they are voted in by Californians. In thread after thread in the CA forums the state's populace is criticized for voting for what they consider wackos among other things but now you want to claim that same populace is centrist? Jerry Brown, Diana Feinstein and Nancy Pelosi represent a majority centrist populace? LOL Come on!

[Gentoo]

Originally Posted by expatCA

Actually I suspect if CALEXIT were to actually become a reality, CA would be a split into 2 or even 3 States/Countries and maybe total independence for each or a "commonwealth" for military and similar. CA is not united on a 1 State/Country existence even among those favoring it, which I believe is a very small portion of the population.

Again with the lack of secession and how it works. There is no splitting things like a divorce. Secession is winner take all, or almost all. If it fails, those who wanted to leave would simply have to deal with the fact that is didn't. If it succeeded, those who didn't want to leave would have to find a way to deal with it leaving.