Brawl over auto emissions begins between Calif. and the new federal gov. (Los Angeles: sales, 2013)

[StanleysOwl]

Originally Posted by expatCA

They are trying to push the mfgs to hybrids which in effect have a motor and a lot of batteries, increasing the cost and repair costs.

Electric drive has virtually no maintenance and repair cost by comparison to internal combustion.

[Exitus Acta Probat]

Originally Posted by StanleysOwl

Electric drive has virtually no maintenance and repair cost by comparison to internal combustion.

Then let everybody who isn't into cars get one. But for car enthusiasts, electric cars with a CVT just don't do it.

Good luck doing this in a Tesla:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFoKDKpTbwA

[BeauCharles]

Auto emissions are in a pretty good place as it is. Time to work on something else beside ozone that's much, much worse for air quality November through February - wood smoke from fireplaces and wood stoves in towns and cities.

[StanleysOwl]

Originally Posted by Exitus Acta Probat

Then let everybody who isn't into cars get one. But for car enthusiasts, electric cars with a CVT just don't do it.

Good luck doing this in a Tesla:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFoKDKpTbwA

Didnt advocate one way the other merely corrected a false claim.

[KC6ZLV]

Originally Posted by expatCA

It isn't just large motors that is the issue, even the small ones can't meet the standard. They are trying to push the mfgs to hybrids which in effect have a motor and a lot of batteries, increasing the cost and repair costs. They are not very popular. The increase would be nice if in normal engines, but we are reaching a limit especially with even heavier cars due to all the safety requirements, comfort items, etc. They all add weight. You could probably get the mileage if you took a decent 4 cyl and removed the electronics not necessary, air bags, impact steel in doors and such. In effect an old 1960's VW with a modern fuel injected engine. Want one? Oh, one of my companies is involved in some of the ways it can be reached, but it will take longer than the EPA standard allows for and produce just lousy cars. You know a 1906's VW with a modern 4cyl, 6 or 8 speed transmission and a high cost for less comfort.

Yes, the small ones can meet the standard. There are several cars available with engines around 1.8 L and smaller that exceed 50 mpg. It is a small challenge, but it can be done. Also note that the fuel economy requirement is an average. Some cars will have to get much better gas mileage, some can be sold that don't get such good gas mileage. As long as the average meets the specified goal is all that matters.

Personally, I hate driving tiny cars. I really don't like large vehicles either. I currently have a Ford Ranger that gets about 30 mpg on the highway, and I'm OK with that. The engine is a 2.3 L and has more than enough power. If all this were up to me I would implement progressive registration fees based on engine size or carbon emissions and really start hitting people's wallets somewhere in excess of about 2.5 or 3.0 litres. Those engine sizes are more than enough for any Joe Sixpack to drive a reasonable vehicle. And those people who just gotta have a vehicle the size of fast food restaurant will just have to pay a lot more every year.

[KC6ZLV]

Originally Posted by BeauCharles

Auto emissions are in a pretty good place as it is. Time to work on something else beside ozone that's much, much worse for air quality November through February - wood smoke from fireplaces and wood stoves in towns and cities.

Ozone is certainly still a problem. Especially in the large metro areas, and especially the ones with a lot of heat and sunlight.

[CA4Now]

Originally Posted by V8 Vega

I sure hope Trump stops allowing Calif. to have stricter smog laws than the rest of the states. Our smog regulators have to keep regulating more and more or they lose their cushy high paying jobs. Enough. If Trump eliminates unrealistic mileage requirements we can get back to common sense.

Common sense? Obviously you didn't live in L.A. when 3rd stage smog alerts were common.
History of Smog | L.A. Weekly

[expatCA]

Originally Posted by StanleysOwl

Electric drive has virtually no maintenance and repair cost by comparison to internal combustion.

True, if you want to drive maybe 50 miles (Note slight exaggeration, but the principle holds they have a limited driving range) or so and then plug in.That electricity comes from somewhere and .... why do you think there are so few electric vehicles on the road if they are so great???? Learn before talking about something like this.

[expatCA]

Originally Posted by KC6ZLV

Yes, the small ones can meet the standard. There are several cars available with engines around 1.8 L and smaller that exceed 50 mpg. It is a small challenge, but it can be done. Also note that the fuel economy requirement is an average. Some cars will have to get much better gas mileage, some can be sold that don't get such good gas mileage. As long as the average meets the specified goal is all that matters.

They met it until you put a second person in the car and if a family, better be dwarf's.

Personally, I hate driving tiny cars. I really don't like large vehicles either. I currently have a Ford Ranger that gets about 30 mpg on the highway, and I'm OK with that. The engine is a 2.3 L and has more than enough power. If all this were up to me I would implement progressive registration fees based on engine size or carbon emissions and really start hitting people's wallets somewhere in excess of about 2.5 or 3.0 litres. Those engine sizes are more than enough for any Joe Sixpack to drive a reasonable vehicle. And those people who just gotta have a vehicle the size of fast food restaurant will just have to pay a lot more every year.

As usual that would hit the poor who cannot afford a new car and the middle class who struggle and the rich would not care.

Now I agree a 3.0L engine is fine with me for every day driving and that is what is in my wife's car (SUV) and she loves it and I drive it a lot. Joe Sixpack usually has a truck for work and they need a V8 to haul things. Even my V8 gets better mileage than the trucks of the past and it is a 4.2L so no big deal but hauls everything I have ever needed in the way of tools, cargo and even trailers.

[StanleysOwl]

Originally Posted by expatCA

True, if you want to drive maybe 50 miles (Note slight exaggeration, but the principle holds they have a limited driving range) or so and then plug in.That electricity comes from somewhere and .... why do you think there are so few electric vehicles on the road if they are so great???? Learn before talking about something like this.

You are the one who claimed electric drives would increase repairs and maintenance costs. They dont. They decrease costs dramatically. No one was discussing the range issue at that point.

And range is now approaching 300 miles per charge in some new EV's. You might consider your own advice given on this and your overall posting history on subjects.

Here are 11 EV's that average more than your above claim. A number of them 50% or more greater. Electric Car Range Comparison -- Top 11