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Old 03-30-2017, 06:07 PM
 
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I don't care if it's only $1 per month, we don't need more taxes. We need to cut benefits to illegals (by cutting employment opportunities), limit welfare benefits, reform government employee pensions. What is the enfatuation with giving your hard earned money away?
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Old 03-30-2017, 06:54 PM
 
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Kiss more of your hard-earned money goodbye, as California's pension crisis devours every last tax dollar. The key reason these big fee hikes are being proposed: California pensions are bankrupt, drowning in a massive sea of red ink...
This is completely untrue. Brown's gas tax increase requires that the funds only be used on roads and nothing else. Gas tax money has not kept up with inflation and this increase just gets us back to even on road work. Pensions have absolutely NOTHING to do with this.
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Old 03-30-2017, 07:21 PM
 
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This is completely untrue. Brown's gas tax increase requires that the funds only be used on roads and nothing else. Gas tax money has not kept up with inflation and this increase just gets us back to even on road work. Pensions have absolutely NOTHING to do with this.
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Old 03-30-2017, 07:21 PM
 
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This is completely untrue. Brown's gas tax increase requires that the funds only be used on roads and nothing else. Gas tax money has not kept up with inflation and this increase just gets us back to even on road work. Pensions have absolutely NOTHING to do with this.
Pensions have everything to do with this. Everything. California has among the highest income taxes, sales taxes, and gas taxes in the United States. California has more than enough coming in to service the roads -- but that money is now being siphoned off because California public pensions are nearly $1 trillion in the hole. And California pension investment projections, still hovering around 7%, are outright lies, as their actual returns aren't even close in this Fed-induced ZIRP money-printing era.

I note you only mentioned the gas tax -- not the vehicle license fee, which unquestionably will be going to pensions. Remember, Gray Davis jacked vehicle license fees 243% after he signed SB400, the most outrageous pension-jacking bill in the last forty years. Which is why Davis was recalled from office. But the massive pension-spiking giveaway from SB400 remains, and only now is the financial devastation reaching the shores of California cities and towns.

Everything is about pensions now. The entirety of the California government is fast becoming a massive pension slush fund, as the pension-government complex devours tax dollars at an enormous rate. Just wait until the investment return projections are reduced further. The pension debtbomb will go supernova, and all of California is in the blast radius. Note, this is precisely why CalPERS removed its "myths vs. facts" page. CalPERS investment return projections are outright lies, and both CalPERS and investment professionals know it.
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Old 03-30-2017, 07:38 PM
 
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The roads in California are some of the worst in the country yet the taxes on gas and fees on related road maintence are some of the highest in the country...

Throwing more money is ridiculus! You need to reform pensions and investigate how that money is being spent because there is obvious waste and or deferring money to other areas.
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Old 03-30-2017, 08:32 PM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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This is completely untrue. Brown's gas tax increase requires that the funds only be used on roads and nothing else. Gas tax money has not kept up with inflation and this increase just gets us back to even on road work. Pensions have absolutely NOTHING to do with this.
Lol. I wonder why all the other vehicle taxes were not sued only for the roads. The weight feed have. Den stripped from the road for years to feed the general fund.
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Old 03-30-2017, 08:43 PM
 
Location: Silicon Valley
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This is completely untrue. Brown's gas tax increase requires that the funds only be used on roads and nothing else. Gas tax money has not kept up with inflation and this increase just gets us back to even on road work. Pensions have absolutely NOTHING to do with this.
I agree. CA had a budget meltdown in large part due to the electricity sham that sent electricity prices through the roof that CA had contracted to buy, for one thing.

Another thing is that our vehicle fees used to be crazy high, and were slashed. That included the huge fee that used to be charged to people bringing in cars to CA from other states.

So, budget crises, LESS taxes, and an infrastructure that keeps getting left out of the budget while propositions get passed with required chunks of the state budget going to those particular issues.

And so the problem just kept getting passed on to the next set of legislators.

The roads are a mess and we need money to fix them. Too bad that enormous cigarette tax on tobacco and even e-cigarettes couldn't be used to fix roads and bridges.

We recently lost another 10 feet of Hwy 101 into the ocean at Last Chance Grade. Then, had a landslide that closed it down shortly afterwards.

But, the tax on e-cigarettes gets to fund UC Davis' medical program.

People need to read these bills and start voting for new taxes to fix things that need fixing. And it's fair to only tax those who use the road. Makes perfect sense to me. Has to be done. I'm okay with it and I make diddly squat.
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Old 03-30-2017, 08:49 PM
 
Location: SoCal
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It's worth it all as long as we can be an asylum for illegal aliens.

Hey, I don't mind paying an extra $100/month just so that people can sneak across the border and take American jobs by working under the table for less than minimum wages.

That's all about what California is about, right?

By 2050 California will probably be a state of Mexico after USA gives up and just cedes CA to MX.
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Old 03-30-2017, 08:53 PM
 
Location: Silicon Valley
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It's worth it all as long as we can be an asylum for illegal aliens.

Hey, I don't mind paying an extra $100/month just so that people can sneak across the border and take American jobs by working under the table for less than minimum wages.

That's all about what California is about, right?

By 2050 California will probably be a state of Mexico after USA gives up and just cedes CA to MX.
Car taxes....illegal Mexican immigrants......
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Old 03-30-2017, 08:59 PM
 
Location: SoCal
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At least illegal immigrants don't have to worry about paying license fees, get smog checks, or pay for auto insurance. And if they get stopped for a ticket, make up a Latino name and say you have no driver's license. Freeeeeee!!!!!

You gotta admit that a government on the side of asylum for illegal immigrants, it's a nice financial advantage that legal residents don't get.

We legals get to pay for the registration, smog checks, insurance and all that.
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