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Old 03-29-2017, 05:25 PM
 
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Kiss more of your hard-earned money goodbye, as California's pension crisis devours every last tax dollar. The key reason these big fee hikes are being proposed: California pensions are bankrupt, drowning in a massive sea of red ink. As more tax dollars are funneled into outrageous pensions, less money exists for ordinary government functions, such as maintaining roads and infrastructure.

A secondary reason is California's $100 billion high speed rail boondoggle -- which will not be high speed rail, which will not go from LA to SF, and which is catastrophically over-budget. Cancel the train to repair California infrastructure? Of course not. Instead, propose a cornucopia of fees and taxes on the uninformed.

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Gov. Jerry Brown proposes hiking gas taxes to raise $5.2 billion annually to repair crumbling roads and bridges

Gov. Jerry Brown and legislative leaders on Wednesday announced a proposal to raise gas taxes and vehicle fees to generate more than $5 billion annually for repairing California’s crumbling system of streets, highways and bridges, as well as to increase mass transit.
And make no mistake, this is a brand new vehicle fee, on top of California's already-high vehicle fees, payable every year to this parasitic state government.

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The package also includes a new, annual vehicle fee that would average about $48 based on the value of the car.
Gas taxes? Going up, up, UP. Not only are they proposing additional gas excise taxes, they also want to put in place a new methodology to jack up gas taxes even more in the future:

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the new revenue sources, which include a 12 cent-per-gallon increase in current gas excise taxes on Nov. 1. Future increases would be made by a new tax calculating methodology and annual inflation adjustments. Those changes begin in 2019 and are fully implemented in 2020.
Use diesel? California is dropping the hammer on diesel, jacking diesel sales taxes 70% and diesel excise taxes a whopping 126%:

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The sales tax on diesel would increase 4% from the current 5.75% to 9.75%. Also, the diesel excise tax would go up 20 cents, from 16 cents per gallon to 36 cents per gallon.
That is going to cost. Got to be highest in the nation for sure.

Drive an electric vehicle? The California tax-and-fee machine is gunning for your pocket, too:

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The package also includes a $100 annual fee on electric cars that don't pay gas taxes.
Got a car valued at $25k? Congrats, you now owe California an additional $100, every year, on top of what you already pay to the state in vehicle fees. And those fees are steep. For example, with a used car, you are paying: (Selling price of the vehicle X 0.65% (DMV Multiplier)) = Vehicle License fee + DMV Add-On Amount (varies by County, ranges from $1.00 to $24.00) + CA Base DMV Fee (Currently Reg Fee of $46 + CHP Fee of $24) Total $70.00 + $20.00 Smog Abatement (If the vehicle is Gas Driven AND 6 model years old or less) + $15.00 Title Transfer Fee Amount + $8.00 Smog Waiver Fee (If the vehicle is Gas Driven AND 4 model years old or less) = Total California DMV License Fee

Drive a gas car? Every time you pump, it's going to cost a lot more.

Fees on top of fees on top of fees on top of fees. California, highest gasoline sales and excise taxes in the nation, highest vehicle licensure and registration fees in the nation -- and they are going much higher.

California government now exists to do one thing only: fund outrageous pensions. To avoid bankruptcy, California must extract ever-increasing amounts of wealth from its residents, funneling it to CA government retirees and their black-hole bankrupt retirement plans.
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Old 03-29-2017, 07:56 PM
 
Location: North County San Diego Area
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Car Sharing will be the future, self driving fully automonous at that, you will hail a car and it will show up and take you where you want to go. It's already happening, and the State is probably rushing with a money grab since in due time there will be a drop in car ownership at some point and the ride sharing will take over, less fees they can grab.

Also I doubt Gas Taxes here will exceed my native state of PA, worst in the nation and they are going up.

http://www.fox29.com/news/225575505-story

Money won't go to fix the roads though, PA claims that as well and the roads are bad, weather and road salt is hard on the roads and infrastruture, not sure what CA's problem is, some of the roads here rival PA if not exceed them around San Diego. PA ranked #10 in this study, just four spots below CA at #6.

http://247wallst.com/special-report/...orst-roads/10/

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Old 03-29-2017, 08:23 PM
 
Location: Sylmar, a part of Los Angeles
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We voted one governor out, I can't think of his name when he wanted to raise the car tax, I sure hope it happens again but I doubt it.
When will the people get fed up with paying for other people to live like kings? the politicians say they can't do anything about their ridiculous pensions but thats because they don't want to.
Democrats always say they are for the little guy, how is taking his money away from him helping the little guy?
The illegal alien vote is so many in this state there is little hope for getting these bastards out.
Democrats have a 2/3rds majority in both the house and senate, they can vote this in.

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Old 03-29-2017, 08:24 PM
 
Location: Northern CA
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It doesn't ever seem to stop.
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Old 03-29-2017, 08:37 PM
 
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Liberals have fallen for their politicians propaganda. They'd be happy to increase any tax or fee if politicians attachment a greater good purpose. It just seems odd to me how California already has some of the highest taxes on gas, yet their roads are complete garbage and now they need to tax more and fee more.... where is all that money going? Democrats don't care about that, they hear we need more taxes and they instantly reach in their pockets and their neighbors' pockets.
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Old 03-30-2017, 06:14 AM
 
Location: Riverside Ca
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Originally Posted by V8 Vega View Post
We voted one governor out, I can't think of his name when he wanted to raise the car tax, I sure hope it happens again but I doubt it.
When will the people get fed up with paying for other people to live like kings? the politicians say they can't do anything about their ridiculous pensions but thats because they don't want to.
Democrats always say they are for the little guy, how is taking his money away from him helping the little guy?
The illegal alien vote is so many in this state there is little hope for getting these bastards out.
Democrats have a 2/3rds majority in both the house and senate, they can vote this in.

Gray Davis is who you are thinking of.

Yup, I'm at a point where that proverbial straw that broke the camels back is starting to add weight. I'm starting to think at moving to Washington, Idaho or possible Montana or Wyoming.
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Old 03-30-2017, 08:47 AM
 
Location: Business ethics is an oxymoron.
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Yup yup yup. It's already as good as done. You're going to pay it.

Who is going to oppose it?

The people of California?

Please. You mean those very same people that continue to put people like Brown in office in the first place? Checks and balances (read: the GOP party) has been effectively voted into irrelevant extinction here. At least at the State level anyway. You think the mayor of some dead end, irrelevant town like Hanford is going to do anything about it?

This is California. Home of the nicest weather, best variety of scenery, tastiest fish tacos, and coolest Mongolian art museums. A few extra fees should just be considered a small price to pay for the privilege of living here. I can't recall any type of fee, bond, or tax that California as a whole EVER said no to. What makes you think it's going to end here?

California is well on its way towards achieving a de facto 100% taxation rate for those whose earnings are in the ≈$30k-$100k income bracket. That's the demographic that has the money to take but probably not the wherewithal to finally say 'enough' and flee the state.
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Old 03-30-2017, 08:53 AM
 
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Yup yup yup. It's already as good as done. You're going to pay it.

Who is going to oppose it?

The people of California?

Please. You mean those very same people that continue to put people like Brown in office in the first place? Checks and balances (read: the GOP party) has been effectively voted into irrelevant extinction here. At least at the State level anyway. You think the mayor of some dead end, irrelevant town like Hanford is going to do anything about it?

This is California. Home of the nicest weather, best variety of scenery, tastiest fish tacos, and coolest Mongolian art museums. A few extra fees should just be considered a small price to pay for the privilege of living here. I can't recall any type of fee, bond, or tax that California as a whole EVER said no to. What makes you think it's going to end here?

California is well on its way towards achieving a de facto 100% taxation rate for those whose earnings are in the ≈$30k-$100k income bracket. That's the demographic that has the money to take but probably not the wherewithal to finally say 'enough' and flee the state.
Aah, but it is CA and has all that sun and the beaches and ... well it is a Sunshine Tax. Wait what does that have to do with taxes and fees at all? Absolutely ... nothing, but people believe it does make a difference. I suspect the people living in Bakersfield, Fresno, Indio, and similar places away from the beach and where the "sunshine" is not a taxable benefit, will disagree but they have no way to do anything about it.
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Old 03-30-2017, 09:32 AM
 
Location: Business ethics is an oxymoron.
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Aah, but it is CA and has all that sun and the beaches and ... well it is a Sunshine Tax. Wait what does that have to do with taxes and fees at all? Absolutely ... nothing, but people believe it does make a difference. I suspect the people living in Bakersfield, Fresno, Indio, and similar places away from the beach and where the "sunshine" is not a taxable benefit, will disagree but they have no way to do anything about it.
As far as the Coastal people are concerned, the only....ONLY purpose that the people in the Inland Empire and Central Valley serve is to help pony up some taxes without actually enjoying said beaches and sunshine. And to be a punching bag for the superior Coastal people to kick on as a reminder of their cultural, visual, economic, and intellectual superiority.

And you're right. There's absolutely nothing....nothing at all....that the Interior people can or will do about it. They MUST accept it.
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Old 03-30-2017, 09:33 AM
 
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Car Sharing will be the future, self driving fully automonous at that, you will hail a car and it will show up and take you where you want to go. It's already happening, and the State is probably rushing with a money grab since in due time there will be a drop in car ownership at some point and the ride sharing will take over, less fees they can grab.
Interesting thought. I don't really see it happening outside of major metro areas like San Francisco. Self driving or not, I think many families in particular are going to want their own vehicles. It's more convient. You don't need to reserve or call a ride. You don't have to wait at all. And many people will want to keep certain things in their vehicle at all times, customizing it.
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